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  1. This might work for people who use Affinity on a daily basis, but when you're using it on a daily basis, you will probably not buy Affinity. When I did graphic editing on a daily basis, I had an Adobe subscription. As for what I consider to be the Affinity target audience (freelancers, indie developers, anyone not using it on a daily basis), I don't think your suggestion is realistic. No Indie game developer in the history of ever will dual boot on their laptop. No freelancer will use two machines in the office, just for the jobs where they need half a week of editing in a month's work. Even if they have the software, licenses, and machines, they would still not do it. I know this empirically, because this is me. They would rather work with the inferior and limited GIMP and other software that works over WINE. I have both Affinity licenses. Bought them immediately when the Windows version came out. One, as encouragement funding because I had just ended my Adobe subscription. And two, because I secretly hoped they would either eventually make a Linux version (assumed small probability) or the Windows version would run on WINE (assumed big probability, which in hindsight turns out is wrong). But I simply don't use them, because Ifor the same reason as why I don't switch cars every time I want to listen to a different radio station. So here is the truth which I think some Linux users would agree, rated from 1 (totally agree) to 3 (neutral) to 5 (totally disagree) Would love Affinity Linux version, willing to pay double for new license, even when already having an Affinity Windows license Would love Affinity WINE support Would use inferior tools like GIMP (and native tools Corel AfterShot on Linux, while using competitor's tools over WINE Would actually dual-boot Would use two machines with KVM to use Windows/Affinity and Linux together So we're all at point 3. We're arguing about point 1 as long as the Affinity Team members have not addressed our answers to their questions yet. Meanwhile we're proposing that point 2 might be something to realistically look at too, since software like AlienSkin Exposure and games like Doom 4 proof that WINE performance is orders of magnitude better than and nearly uncomparable to virtualization, which has unbearable performance with graphics software for some reason. To Windows users and older people they just might. Younger people that still have some creativity in their brain can see the questions embedded in the first two quotes. Or rather invitations to solve for x in their if x then y statements. Your (sic) are seeing what you want to see too. That's fine. The only problem is: This topic is not relevant for you. Why are you here?
  2. Well @toltec I'm not sure you are correct about that. I don't feel that has been said at all. It was merely suggested as a probability, once. Let's try to read back and see what's actually been said by the Affinity staff. Those are two questions and a statement. That last statement was a reply to new user @rrbachamp with 1 post where @Patrick Connor seems to summarize his personal opinion about the sentiment of this topic. Factual statements about the realism of this idea are made by his two colleagues. There have been some interesting suggestions by the community. Here are the recurring ones: Recoup How: Crowdsource. Charge double. Only deliver when $500,000 in pre-orders was made. Recoup Where: Snaps on the Ubuntu store with help from the Ubuntu marketing team Alternatively: Spend far less resources and just make some (small?) adjustments so Affinity for Windows will play nice on WINE. So unless I'm mistaken, Linux users are now waiting for @TonyB and @Andy Somerfield to respond with their thoughts on these suggestions. In the meanwhile, this thread is being flooded with two different discussions. The pro's and cons of using Linux, motivations for (not) using Linux, being passionately for or against Linux The oddly fierce, rude and almost aggressive way certain non-Linux-users (mis)construe Affinity's position. So what Linux users "grasp" is that either Affinity is going to respond to the suggestions made at a later time, or Affinity is waiting for more suggestions to be made. Personally I'm afraid that this thread is polluted too much with sentiment and inexplicable anger towards Linux users for Affinity to even want to keep reading, and I'm wondering if that's exactly what motivates non-Linux-users to keep stirring the pot. This thread would make a lot more sense if non-Linux-users would have stayed out of it. Summary: Linux users suggest version for Linux Affinity team say it's not likely but are willing to talk, ask where/how Linux users make suggestions, and are waiting for Affinity's feedback on what was said Non-Linux-users start to get annoyed. Why? They are probably afraid Linux will turn out to be a big market, resulting in that one way or another, the Windows version will be getting less updates. I am speculating, because I have literally heard no real arguments for their resistance. And if it was irrelevant to their interests, they wouldn't weigh in.
  3. I have to admit that I thought only Linux users were allowed to be disrespectful. That's why I didn't understand why you were being disrespectful. I stand corrected. You were being disrespectful because somewhere, Linux users are countlessly disrespectful. I will not disturb you again.
  4. I think this was mostly true in the time of Silicon Graphics and Terminator 2. BlackMagic Design made many friends by providing their (blockbuster-grade professional) color grading, editing and compositing software for free. It's hard to compete in-house with dedicated software developers. Things that used to be solely used in-house are now being sold. Just like Epic went from developing the Unreal Engine in-house for their own games, to selling it, to now providing it for free for projects that don't make a ton of money. Pixar's "renderman" is also no longer in-house software, but being sold, and provided for free (but non-commercial only). One thing that all of those studios have in common is they use Linux as their operating system.
  5. So those printers don't work on Apple, which uses the same CUPS system, either? Windows is the only system that a professional would use? I think you confuse your OS with your hardware. Linux runs on PC. So in your line of work Linux is not prevalent. That's fine. But why are you arguing so hard against Linux users, calling them protesters? I don't get it. Every year, Dell has the prettiest Linux laptops. Check out that 2018 XPS. I'm afraid you have been ignorant. Primatte has been supported in Linux on OFX software for many years. You can use any node-based compositor to render HDI and use it as you see fit. Or use Primatte with OFX in Gimp. But we (Affinity using Linux users) would prefer to use Affinity over Gimp. In fact, Primatte comes from IRIX Unix. It was only ported to Windows later. I'm afraid you have been ignorant the past couple of years. Films like Wonder Woman, Alien: Covenant and The Hero, done with DaVinci Resolve. Which is available for free on Windows, OSX and Linux. Films like Avatar, Sin City and Watchmen, done with Eyeon Fusion, recently purchased by Black Magic. Seat costs thousands of euro's, but if you don't render in 3d, it's available for free on Windows, OSX and Linux. Films like The Wolf of Wall Street, Centurion and Bruce Almighty done with Lightworks, available on Linux (and recently Windows and OSX) for free. You are being quite ignorant and disrespectful with the things you say about Linux users and the haughty way you write sentences like the quoted one. First of all, why do you think I am here? To talk about my car? Affinity is literally the only reason I boot Windows. It's the only reason I've surrendered 80 gigabytes from my SSD to run that inferior piece of spyware. Second, it's easy to be ignorant and disrespectful. I can tell you that there is a lot, a _lot_ of linux training out there. I guess it's more about developing apps, virtual reality, computer graphics, big data, machine learning, artificial intelligence, tensor flow. You know, the more intelligent stuff. Nobody thought about giving training for inserting a table into a document on Linux yet. Document typing is not for Linux people. Linux people write scientific papers using dedicated tools. Sometimes they want to have a laugh and edit a photo too, just like those Windows folk that take themselves very seriously. Now I didn't need to put it like that, but I was triggered into showing the pointlessness of being disrespectful.
  6. Printer drivers are actually one argument for Linux. I think I live 5 years longer since I don't have to deal with 100 MB printer drivers for Windows anymore. In fact, the open source CUPS printing system was so fine, that Apple Inc. purchased the source code in 2007. Since then, Apple and Linux printer drivers have basically been the same. Apple adds some sugar, but the system is still bound by the open source license. What do films like Lord of the Rings, Fantastic Four, Star Wars, The Matrix, King Kong, and Avatar have in common? All done in Linux. I don't think green-screening is a problem. Also check out these open source movies done entirely in non-commercial open source software on Linux. Agent 327: Operation Barbershop (2017): Caminandes: Llamigos (2016) Glass Half (2015) Cosmos Laundromat (2015) I don't particularly like this open movie, but it shows that even using only 100% free and open source software, green-screening can be done pretty neatly. Tears of Steel (2012) Remind me, why is this relevant to you? For some people it's their tool of choice for their creative masterpieces. They inform Serif/Affinity that they are missing a Linux-tool that is priced somewhere between free and expensive because there is a gap, and Affinity would fill that gap perfectly. They have the unique chance to be first to market. Note that more and more powerful commercial compositing software companies are releasing free versions, even for commercial use, but slightly limited in cinematic features (such as stereoscopic rendering). They are quickly adding support for Linux customers because they know there's a deep silent market. Linux users are loyal to their operating system. Are the Affinity guys still reading? Here is an interesting article. our experience launching a paid, proprietary product on Linux
  7. I don't think folks from Affinity are following this topic beyond their fair decision not to develop for Linux. I've tweeted. Please RT to raise awareness!
  8. Check the 3.x branch of wine. Photoshop CC 2018 works after installing the dependencies. Manually copy Photoshop over from your Windows installation, e.g. to ~/.wine-photoshop/drive_c/Program\ Files/Adobe/Photoshop WINEARCH=win64 WINEPREFIX=~/.wine-photoshop wineboot -u winetricks fontsmooth=rgb gdiplus vcrun2008 vcrun2010 vcrun2012 vcrun2013 vcrun2015 atmlib msxml6 gdiplus corefonts wget http://download.adobe.com/pub/adobe/creativesuite/cc/win/ApplicationManager10.0_all.exe wine ApplicationManager10.0_all.exe wine ~/.wine-photoshop/drive_c/Program\ Files/Adobe/Photoshop/Photoshop.exe See https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=36206
  9. @Andy Somerfield I've been running AlienSkin Exposure X2 RAW Photo Editor on Linux through WINE ever since it was new. Performance is no different from running it in Windows. I haven't tested X3 because I didn't have a reason to buy the license, but according to WineHQ it runs fine. Frankly, I haven't used Affinity anymore because it is literally the last thing that needs Windows in my workflow. And although I have the license for Photo and Designer, switching to Windows is too "expensive" for me in terms of productivity. Observing how some software runs perfectly - I can even play the latest Doom 4 and Tomb Raider (PC games for Windows) on Linux - it is tempting to think that Affinity Designer could swap some library and poof, WINE compatibility. Would it be an idea to investigate this?
  10. +1 See if we can get 5.000 people to pay €100 in advance for Photo and Designer.
  11. Redsandro

    Silent Installation

    Aaah! Thank you! :lol: My search-fu was failing.
  12. Hi there, I would like to request that Affinity Photo and Affinity Designer can silently install without asking for email/product key. Then the email/product key will be asked on first launch. I would probably have payed 200% of the price for a Linux version. But since Serif decided not to go that way, I'm using a virtual machine with Windows. The Windows evaluation reboots every 2 hours and expires after a month. I can automate the provisioning for rebuilding the VM for most things, but not for Affinity products.
  13. Redsandro

    Silent Installation

    This is very customary. A silent mode for installation is so common that they probably had to remove it rather than not implement it. In university we set up a lot of commercial software this way. It's called provisioning. You've probably never heard of it. I can do this? Wow, I wish someone had told me sooner! Thanks for the pedantic suggestion. :wub:
  14. Here is an interesting web survey for OS preference by web developers. Operating System Market Share as of 2016: Windows: 52% MacOS: 26% Linux*: 14% *) I'm only counting Ubuntu and Linux Mint, which are binary compatible, so that these numbers effectively represent one market. I'm not a statistician, but using the above numbers I would carefully guess that a Ubuntu (which implies Mint too) version would see a profit of 10% the amount you profit from the MacOS and Windows versions combined. Linux users are idealistic people who gladly pay for something they approve of. For example, they structurally pay the most in pay-what-you-want schemes like the Humble Indy Bundle. I'd say Linux users will gladly pay 150% of the MacOS version, resulting in a 15% profit compared to the Windows and MacOS versions combined. Again, I'm not a statistician and I'm speculating. Develop at your own risk. :lol:
  15. Redsandro

    Linux. Seriously now.

    I agree. The discussion seems to be near-presidential in terms of emphasizing the bad. Over the years, I have used all 3 too. They each have their strengths and weaknesses. MacOS is pretty media/design-centric. Being that, things you want in that area are easy. But it comes with a closed ecosystem and it doesn't (legally) run on your free choice of hardware. Windows is more open in that regard, but I cannot seem to color manage to a wider gamut without the Windows UI becoming unbearably saturated and lacks the built-in RAW profile and codec support. Linux is totally free in every regard and a true pleasure to work with for developers, but media-related things that are simple in the other OSses, are (still) quite spartan in Linux. As professional developers, we use Linux 95% of the time. The other 5% is reluctantly booting Windows to use Affinity and Adobe products. Affinity pricing is more realistic for people who don't use the products 40 hours per week. We can't get rid of Adobe's arrogant pricing scheme just yet for depending on InDesign and After Effects. In time I hope we can get rid of our dependency on Adobe. That's step 1. Step 2 is getting rid of our dependency on Windows and being able do to everything within Linux.
  16. Same here. I followed the progress for the Windows versions and bought Designer and Photo as an encouragement for Affinity because I think Adobe's arrogant pricing model really needs some competition. But don't plan on using it much. I still have a year of Adobe CC. I find myself often resorting to open source tools for raw photo processing and simple tasks because I'm a developer and full time Linux user. Honestly, they bleak in comparison to Adobe and Affinity products. However, only when I really need to do serious design for the whole day, I reluctantly boot to Windows. It feels a bit like working from a camping site because I'm missing all the conveniences of "my" operating system. I will purchase the first serious Photo editor that comes to Linux. When I read that Windows and MacOS share the same code base for Affinity projects, for a minute I had a smile on my face thinking the effort of porting to Linux would be "simple" enough to be worth it, both for idealistic reasons and the joy of having a unique selling poing that Adobe does not. I understand now this will not happen in the foreseeable future. Which saddens me, but from a commercial point of view I understand. The day that Affinity Photo comes to Linux, I will gladly purchase it again. Could you, for our entertainment, provide a link to this discussion?