Tourmaline
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Can't see who won.
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Still 61%, fingers crossed.
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6 hours ago, Alfred said:
It might have all the features you use regularly, or then again it might not! When it’s released to public beta you can try it and see if it works for you.
Of course it will. It will not have all the bells and whistles of more mature software but it'll do for the most part.
Designer is also getting updates and multiple pages is also on that list so you could do some things in Designer.
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I really like the Affinity Spotlight web page.
Interesting reading, especially about the developers.
I hope this way a lot more people can understand that it is not a trivial thing to develop new software and why it takes a little longer sometimes then people want it to take.
Lots of good reading stuff and inspiration!
Keep it up.
Thumbs up from me.
sweet pussycat avatar...
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8 minutes ago, Arnaud Mez said:
possible to vote twice????
If you have more then 1 Microsoft account, then yes, that is possible. But it's not something Serif want you to do...
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19 hours ago, Pšenda said:
And here was discussed the fairness of voting from several accounts - this is how it is works :-)
Good, then I can vote again....
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3 hours ago, Mithferion said:
Oh, well... I'm not getting optimist that early ever again...
Yeah, neat trick from Microsoft.
They are changing the rules again, lol.
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3 hours ago, SrPx said:
It's too huge of an app, any 2D anim or video editing tool...not as ever changing context as the extensively debated web design wysiwyg tool, but the market status in those worlds is super demanding, of very high level, super complex, takes a lifetime to develop a really solid animation tool that could at least try to survive among so much fierce and specialized (for decades) competition. Some have said, addition as a light feature, so, not a pro thing...IMO, that's a dangerous road, a mix of "styles" of doing things. Affinity seems to be heading to the serious, advanced hobbyist, the freelance professional, and companies of any type, without leaving out, in any sense, home or basic users (but they are not just basic tools for basic users, by any stretch).
Going back to products niches/target users (basic users only) with a scope like the legacy products had (still has ! These products are still on sale, just there seems not to be enough super high level staff to produce 20 products at a time), IMO could be a wrong decision now, business-wise. Most of all because also, these UIs are SUPER intuitive, so the basic user is covered, just like before (it was not harder to learn, those UIs than these. If anything, I like these much better ,they have a pretty easy learning curve) . So, adding a half baked feature, wouldn't feel professional at all, and reviewers could have there a weak spot to attack (and competition often pays some to do exactly that.. ) You can't fit a really good animation UI into an already full UI made for other purposes. If anything, most graphic apps, specially animation, at times do benefit in working with two desktop screens, as you need a complex UI setup. Again, no way; at least if you are trying to do things right. But that is definitely not my main point. Main is that they have already too much in their plate, with AD, AP, the tools for tablets, APub beta, and some other stuff they have some how ventured that could be done. Producing extra software, even if we read 'there is no plans for that', I wouldn't understand from it that will be impossible for ever. Only that unless some magic huge funding arrives out of nowhere, enabling to pay a couple of armies of seasoned ninja coders, chances of seeing the next Affinity Premiere or Affinity Effects (J/K, who knows if that might have already probs with trademarks stuff)) are not too likely, any time soon. But even when saying that "we don't have plans for that", some people understand that there could be a close future possibility of it, if giving pressure in the forums (?) (in stats, is close to nothing, I mean, in numbers). Different case is when someone spots a bug, or gives any sort of feedback, that is extra useful, as far as I've seen working inside some software development companies.And I don't think is a bad thing to ask for new apps... It shows that you like the way of doing of the company, and/or its UIs, and/or the usage philosophy and workflows it provides you. I just mean that given the certain size of a company, one needs to have realistic expectations (not a prob if not, but is a bit of a waste of own's energy, too...) in terms of number of the top, pro market level, applications that it can create, produce, give support and maintain at a time...I have been working somehow doing 2D animation, 3D animation and video editing. And we are speaking about tools that provide very complex workflows, with demands of extremely complex functionality here. And super duper high levels of quality, accuracy, complexity expected, etc, etc.
Also, as a freelance and employee (as one switches the situation often), I don't see the point in waiting for....everything, even some days of delay can destroy any project or client connection. I'd just grab ANY of the so many free or mid cost apps already available, (or high end if one is fine with that way of doing, and finances allow) and many are wonderfully evolved and mature, solve my problem for whatever the gig or work at a company, and to the next project .I recon I do learn stuff as I get certain request. IE, I learnt to configure deeply certain e-commerce solution -bit too far from the profile of someone that pushes pixels and polygons- just because a gig like that arrived... With software tools, the same. I tend to purchase, of spent the needed time with a free tool whenever my work needs it, rarely before. (years ago I was A LOT more geek about these things. )
If you want a really good video editor, grab this one:
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/nl/products/davinciresolve/
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On 15-4-2018 at 2:53 PM, Bri-Toon said:
Not to mention, the animation tools in Photoshop are awful. At least PhotoPlus and DrawPlus had a more familiar method.
And yes, there would be no need to add animation in Publisher. Keynote is for slideshow presentations. Publisher is for printout publications.
If you really had to add it, then Designer or Photo would be a better choice, certainly NOT Publisher.
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On 13-4-2018 at 1:48 PM, dpwhittaker said:
My one hope for the Publisher application is that the drawing and text tools will function consistently between the new application and the existing ones. It's so frustrating that in the Adobe products, the drawing/text tools function differently between applications.
That's because they bought some products and didn't develop them themselfs.
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5 minutes ago, Fatih19 said:
Cut them some slack, dude. The app is not even out yet.
Some people...
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13 hours ago, Cineman said:
Been scanning through last dozen or so pages to catch up; looks like no additional sneak-peaks since December but hopefully we'll get a beta in the next couple months. As someone who uses InDesign on a regular basis to make a living, it's a little disappointing that INDD / IDML import wasn't a "Release 1 feature," but I understand it's a complex undertaking to get it right. I'm not even sure Adobe has gotten it right yet.
It's obvious release 1 is more about setting a foundation for the future than grabbing InDesign converts to the cause, and that's OK. Can grab the coverts later when it's a more stable, full-featured app.
InDesign today is a good document layout and design application, with a set of features that's already about as deep as it needs to be. Certainly miles ahead of Quark or PageMaker in their best days. Where it falls short (aside from Adobe's stupid licensing scheme) is performance and stability with larger documents, and ease-of-use when it comes to simple things like renumbering text across multiple pages or sections, and having a dictionary system that isn't dumb as a brick. Too many visits to InDesign Secrets to find an obscure workaround to things that shouldn't require workarounds. But I'm OK sticking with it for another year+ until AP is a more mature product.
However for the second major release, there is no justification for me — and I would guess for many others — to buy Publisher until such time as we can open INDD or IDML files with it, and reliably work with the content in those files to re-save as AP format. PDF import won't cut it because — unless Serif can work some magic I can't currently foresee — all the text flow information, paragraph and character style information, object editability, etc is lost. Put another way: PDF is basically a "low IQ" container format. Doesn't really matter what app you're using, working backward from a rendered PDF to get back to a "live source document" type setup, is a PITA. I wouldn't even contemplate that workflow, I'd just wait until there was proper InDesign import available.
Beyond that I think most of what I'd look for is already planned for 1.0?
- Something akin to master pages
- Simple TOC creation and style editing (another area where InDesign is needlessly complex)
- Robust pagination and sectioning options with easy access to change same
- Standard vector toolset for creating custom paths and shapes that can define content flow + graphic clipping
- Robust Stroke / Gradient / Fill / Transparency options
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Round-trip editing (right-click graphic, go to app, edit, save come back, change is shown)
- PSD, TIFF, AI, native Photo files, native Designer files
- Intelligent text flow and text wrap options
- Robust character and paragraph editing / style setup options (including robust kerning, support for all major font types, etc)
- Easy options for changing default bullet and numbering (and their style options), anywhere on any page.
- Robust find-replace (by selection, page, document)
- Robust font replacement / automation
- Intelligent dictionary that actually learns WTF I tell it to learn more than 50% of the time.
- Strong PDF export options for print and web browsers
That would be a pretty good start. Anything past that is gravy for my workflow.
Things I can wait for:
- Robust table support
- Very long document support (as in 100s of pages)
- Automation stuff
Things I couldn't care less about:
- Converting print design documents into web pages or iPad books. If I need to build web pages I use the right tool, ditto iPad books.
- Turning Publisher into an Illustration program / with similar toolset so you don't have to go into an illy program (bad idea)
- probably others i can't think of
I personally would like to have robust table support as it is used more and more for enhanced tab function.
Also in Indesign a lot of people use tables instead of tabs for layout. To be able to move a cell up and down and left and right would also be welcome.
For fonts I use Extensis Fusion 8.
Easy font management and easy on and off for projects.
For some programs also auto activation. Unfortunately not yet for Designer and Photo. Although I asked Extensis to support those applications. We'll see.
But it's also very easy to activate manually.
It has been revamped and it's really fast and stable now.
"Round-trip editing (right-click graphic, go to app, edit, save come back, change is shown)
- PSD, TIFF, AI, native Photo files, native Designer files"
I think this part is allready taken care of in a special way by Serif:
Direct Designer and Photo integration?! Would be something rather special indeed.
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7 hours ago, Arnaud Mez said:
Just to add a bit here:
Hey Guys !
Please, is Serif planing to add something similar to this the below in coming release of APub ?
i personally use "Apple Keynote" to do my small quick animations as it has good transitions etc... but having even a generic stuff like that can be nice (just asking if).
Personally I would opt for a stable basic layout program. You can add bells and whistles later.
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40 minutes ago, Alfred said:
That isn’t actually about the votes, of course. It’s about eligibility for inclusion in the contest.
Precisely, couldn't find anything about voting.
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1 hour ago, Alfred said:
I don’t think anyone would leave it that late. This isn’t an eBay auction, you know!
You could always use "my" method...
No, just kidding.
This is all I could find about the votes:
Leveraging the latest Windows 10 capabilities
Exploring the latest Windows 10 features and capabilities, the winner of this award pushes the envelope and sets a new bar for what is possible for developing on the Windows 10 platform. This award recognizes an application creator that leverages the latest Windows 10 capabilities and APIs such as Fluent Design System, Ink, Hello, and Microsoft Graph.
- Has to be published in Microsoft Store
- Has to be leveraging SDK 15063 or later
- Has to creatively leverage Windows 10 capabilities like Ink, Dial, Microsoft Graph, MyPeople, Live Tiles/Notifications, etc.
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2 hours ago, SrPx said:
Around to that mileage
(about voting twice or more with more accounts... I keep seeing a risk there, with legal stuff, depends on the terms (edit: can't seem to find terms anywhere, and if there aren't, they hardly would be able to legally complain....Still, I recommend not to do it. ), but I'd better don't do it....)
2 hours ago, SrPx said:Around to that mileage
(about voting twice or more with more accounts... I keep seeing a risk there, with legal stuff, depends on the terms (edit: can't seem to find terms anywhere, and if there aren't, they hardly would be able to legally complain....Still, I recommend not to do it. ), but I'd better don't do it....)
1 vote per account, if Microsoft was really concerned they should have locked the ip-adres to 1 vote only.
And I am quite sure "smart" people from the competition have done the same. Maybe also more Designer users you don't even know off.
If you wanted to do really bad, you could create for every vote a new account. Every time you click on vote there is an option to create a new account.
Don't blame me for finding the plotholes.LOL.
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14 hours ago, 8BitCerberus said:
Use a password manager, you fool. Never worry again what you need to log into any website. You are welcome.
Not only that, you don't have to come up with passwords either, it is automatically generated with given specifications.
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25 minutes ago, Oval said:
42
I have a little more miles under my belt, LOL
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22 hours ago, Fixx said:
I use autotrace about once a year and then I want it to be adjustable and tweakable as much as possible. I use a separate tool because of that.
Wich one? If I may ask?
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5 hours ago, altae said:
And what's wrong with free software? Should they (todoist) be excluded from such contests because their business model includes services for which they don't charge (at least not money)?
I share the considerations of Serif why they don't want to send out e-mails to Affinity Photo users that don't own Designer. It's a thin line between legit news mails to customers and spam. And given the fact that Serif has still to convince lot's of users if they want to successfully "wilder" in Adobe's home territory they better don't annoy potential customers with spam mails. After all it's just some Microsoft contest, not the Holy Grail of software development or marketing. Sure it would be nice for Serif to win the contest and they'd definitely deserve it. But there is certainly no reason to throw over board ethic guidelines to which they thankfully seem to adhere to.
People are more likely to get a piece of free software then paid software and hence you can build quite quickly a 6 million userbase. It's a bit shady that one of the competitors is free now...
You don't get it, do you. If there's an announcement on the Microsoft store website about serif's Affinity Designer then it will fetch far more recognition then other ways. This is free advertisement on a massive scale.
"I share the considerations of Serif why they don't want to send out e-mails to Affinity Photo users that don't own Designer."
I concur, it's about Designer but don't you think any of the contestants are trying to maximize voting? ( one of em is free now and has an automated voting system build in)
Mac users are just 10 percent of all computer users and Windows based users is way larger!
The more people read how good and innovative Designer is, the better.
I've seen lots of programs like Todoist over the years and to be honest they are all quite the same.
If Publisher is going to be as innovative as I think it will be, then they can use all the attention and possibly potential new clients. This will ensure income for the developers and the development of future products.
Today's software market is a tough one considering the competition. It's not like when Adobe started, when there was nothing.
I think Serif took a very brave step to take on the Gigant on it's own home turf and at least they give you a way of getting out of Adobe's grip on your wallet.
I personally think my 2 votes are just a small token of appreciation of the hard work they have done and the hard work there is still to be done in the future.
YMMV.
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1 hour ago, LCamachoDesign said:
I bought Affinity Designer through your webstore, not Microsoft's. Then again I don't know if I unsubscribed from the mail list at some point though...
Luckely I compensated for your lost vote...
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2 hours ago, carl123 said:
Yes ethics in a company is important
But consider that some of the AP users may have trialled AD, some may be watching it's progress on the forums and just waiting for certain features to be added before they buy it or even saving up to buy a copy as they have liked what they tested..
More impotantly, some might have purchased AP directly from Serif but purchased AD from the Windows Store or the Apple Store
Both of which you do not have the email address for, so is it ethical for you to try to target (email) those users as well
I think so.
Microsoft & Apple withholding information on who bought your product, is that ethical?
No, I think not.
You have a right to try to contact all users of AD by whatever means are available to you.
(Rant over, time for some beers, I may be gone sometime)LOL, is it fair to put Designer up to competiton wich exists way longer with a way larger userbase and potentially more voters?
I spotted something else:
TODOIT is FREE!
So, these people are giving it away...
Get a free copy of todoit and vote for us, yeah, that sounds ethical...
Sorry, but I personally don't feel bad voting twice for Designer. It deserves some publicity.
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5 hours ago, Patrick Connor said:
No, Please don't multi-vote, thanks
I have some more accounts....No I won't.
I hear you!
But I am sure some other people from the competiton were "smart" enough to bring in multiple votes.
It's the achilles' heel of the system.
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1 hour ago, carl123 said:
Yes ethics in a company is important
But consider that some of the AP users may have trialled AD, some may be watching it's progress on the forums and just waiting for certain features to be added before they buy it or even saving up to buy a copy as they have liked what they tested..
More impotantly, some might have purchased AP directly from Serif but purchased AD from the Windows Store or the Apple Store
Both of which you do not have the email address for, so is it ethical for you to try to target (email) those users as well
I think so.
Microsoft & Apple withholding information on who bought your product, is that ethical?
No, I think not.
You have a right to try to contact all users of AD by whatever means are available to you.
(Rant over, time for some beers, I may be gone sometime)Don't worry, I have paid versions of Designer, Photo and am eagerly awaiting Publisher.
I feel much better now.
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