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One can easily see here the potential for technical illustration with AD, here.....

Oh, c'mon.... Photoline, in my tests, had a very counter productive jitter in the brush line. The interface was way behind to what Affinity offers. Krita is great, I love it and use it very often, but with a large number of layers in a very high resolution file, (very often in my workflow and in most professionals doing work to be printed) it can really have performance issues, and the text tool is still ver very basic. That said, it has a great brush system, and very good brush line stabilization plus other great brush settings. Is my biggest hope in painting in the open source world, though. But it needs like... a TON more things to become as powerful in image editing as Photo is (indeed, my take at it is more of a complementary relation, ie, Krita for painting, A. Photo for everything else. BUT... AP can do painting, too, quite well, by now). And fine, as it wasn't its mere purpose when it was created (functionality field has always seem to be aiming more to C. Painter, although that has changed quite). And in usability / UI, Affinity a ton better than Gimp / inkscape (in so, so many ways....). Besides the UIs, Inskcape and Gimp, are very far from Affinity Photo and Designer capabilities and level of professional tasks and aspects covered.... You probably don't notice (and I don't mean specifically you ) them until you do professional work. Anyway....makes me curious. If not so needed, why the post here, ? or even why care ... ? (seen you do quite a bunch of posts praising Photoline (btw, I wont mention it, but I believe there's a Windows alternative a ton better than that, if really dislike AP ) , comparing it to A. Photo. And compared to another, maybe (ie, Photoshop), but compared to Photoline.... ? I don't get it.... ) Affinity Photo and Designer are, by very far, the closest - in terms of what a professional do mind /cares - to having a Photoshop and Illustrator substitutes. If they were in Linux, I'd install Linux for them alone (as have had multi boot systems, and is not such a prob for me as it seems to be for a Linux user (ie, seeing several linux users' long term interest in posting in this thread) to have an additional Win boot (Wine keeps not convincing me in terms of performance and compatibility)). To me what counts is where the capability and quality is, not in what particular Operating System. But which tool does get it for professional work. But please... Gimp does not even have a proper CMYK color mode and color profiles handling, not even to the minimal levels required, and that is only one of the problematic aspects, I could even write a book about it. It is a VERY nice and useful application, and a very complete package (Gimp), but doesn't compare here, Photo is way too much more complete, usable in terms of fast UI and mostly friendly UI for newcomers (even while I do know and use Gimp/Blender/Inskcape since the arcane times, (been using Linux since the times when we all had to install distros in floppy disks, even since there was not a graphic desktop...), and overall much greater functionality for professional work. You could complement it with something doing the finishing bits (yeah, you can import in Scribus, or use certain specific utilities, but it doesn't cut it, IMO...), yes, but there's nothing fully complete for that, either, in Linux (for a very high end "finishing" group of tasks, covering as many areas and (required for serious work) details as Photoshop or A. photo do cover. ). Anyway, anyone is completely free to stay in Linux using Gimp / Inkscape (good luck ! ). I probably would do so, just to support Open Source (I use fully Blender/Wings3D, as those instead do cover all my work needs, greatly), if all of my activity were only a hobby, my work in image editing, be it raster and vector stuff. Or they are also free to just load Wine to....er...use Photoline, hehehe. xDDD (and they would be so happy with just this, that they would never need to (restlessly) post in a "gimme a linux version, plueeeeaze" thread at a Serif's forum, about a software which they are sooo convinced is much worse.... (hey, to each is own, if they think so.) //Sarcasm. )

Agreeing with that very much, Reptorian. I do love those two open source applications (specially Krita, I paint a lot with it) (yet tho, Blender keeps being my favorite open source application, and each update confirms this, almost exponentially, Wings3D too, just because....well nothing faster/this flexible in my hands for 3D modeling) . And have combined the use of Inkscape with Designer, too. But...except for some functions (where Inkscape singularly shines even compared with uber expensive software), I believe Designer is going to be -actually, is, already- my "main" design/vectors application. Slowly but firmly (in the past I purchased many apps in the range of 500 - 2000 $, and those are the ones taking dust now, while Affinity instead is a total win, for me), my tool set has become totally mid/low cost and free/open source (I have purchase a pair of other 2D apps, for specific uses). IMO, these worlds complement each other. It's an absolutely winning combination. requires a little more effort (IMO, the gap is very little lately. Many years ago it was really really worse), but the reward is immense in every sense. IE, my main app for mail, (also with IMAP accounts) is Thunderbird, which is open source, from Mozilla, and I use exclusively Libre Office (as I don't need very specific compatibility, for some special cases). And even so..... I need TOTALLY for professional work a good number of affordable cost but professional level applications : Besides the most important, Affinity (indeed, they ARE they future, in my opinión, not only the present), there's Unwrap 3D, and several others (not many, is not a large collection) that add that essential edge/completeness for professional work. Clients very happy, so, is a matter of fact !

Been a while since I checked, but all I know is that there has been a large technological jump in the pen and tablets from Wacom. So, as a lot of people buy the models from Amazon, and sometimes those are older models, I recommend to double check to ensure you get a model from this latest generation. My opinion about tablet size: medium / large is ideal. If one is serious, doing illustration or digital painting that does require line accuracy. "Digital painting" like with oils and acrylics can do well with a medium size, IMO, if you are sure you are never going to do inking, line art, comic drawing . However, medium or even small for only some brush retouches in photo editing,if that's the only use, could be just fine. If actually want to paint, I always recommend as best the Intuos Large, if possible the paper edition, as can allow you to ink traditionally, very easily and integrate it digitally, having advantages of both worlds. Today I am already too used to my fully digital workflow, though. If it is for drawing, I know I cannot recommend the small size. I have the Intuos Small, and used at companies several versions of the non-profesional line of small size, too, in several product generations. Not recommended. You can do stuff, and certainly, pixel-art or photo retouch could do, but dor painting and drawing I very much would only consider medium or Large. (there's no Large in the non pro line, you need to go for Large with the Intuos pro.) Draw, Art, etc, are just the same product with or without touch gestures, and with one software or another offered as bundle. My opinion: At that size, touch features are far from critical, as you can distribute in a decent desktop space, the tablet, your mouse, and keyboard. Which I keep hearing from colleagues that they keep needing it, no matter how many side function buttons are provided in the tablet. I can't remember, but I believe draw comes only in small size. Size is important (no jokes...) below certain measure, because is lost too much accuracy/control.(While bigger than L, not that practical (again, plz no jokes... ) , is more cumbersome and more problem to organize your work space). Indeed, before purchasing a small sized Intuos, I'd recommend in that very case to go for another brand's model which is medium size. But you will find in too many cases more jitter/wobble, driver issues, or etc. So, I keep recommending a "medium" size intuos, of the pro line or Art or whatever, but at least medium size, to draw/illustrate. And while I believe there's too much of a jump in cost towards a cintiq (a device with which I am only able to work a limited number of hours per day), an intuos Large is not that expensive for all what it offers, and its immense durability if treated carefully ( I say so because I've seen people putting so much pressure in a tablet while drawing that no tablet on earth would survive without scratches. And this varies a lot from one artist to another. ), and being a very well rounded, mayire and perfected product. IMO is the professional device, being a great balance in cost and quality. Ideal in an studio, where money is no problem, I'd prefer to have both, an intuos Large, and a Cintiq 27 QHD. So, not saying one of these is bad or anything...(only that I can't stand drawing on screens 8 hours, not even quite less) IMO, the smaller the size, the more that you will need to depend on stabilization/line averaging features in your painting software applications. While these features are a solution to a problem: Is best if the problem comes minimized or non existent (not happening yet, tablets are not as accurate/fast/etc as your hand and hand-brain connection) in the purchased hardware. For this reason, I've lately become not very friend of: alternative brands (while I actually was), or even a MS Surface: every model it produces it still produces a lot of jitter/wobble (check those slow diagonal tests, jitter is horrid, yet....) in every test done. No way... So, IMO, among best purchases, to me clearly it can be done in all Wacom's gamma, almost for every budget, maybe not the very lowest, though (you can find some alternative, much bigger for 70 bucks...I am almost certain you will get jitter, though. But for 70 -50 bucks, hey... and because I believe that other than photo retouch(and maybe "pixel-art"), a "small" has way less use, anyway). The minimal in Wacom, for me is the Art one at medium size, I can't go back to Small, not even if given as a gift. I admit that for a student, or somebody doing this as a light hobby, not planning on wasting any money (i can tell you literally almost every hobby costs more money than the single purchase of a good drawing tablet. ) the medium size of the low cost ("Intuos" instead of Intuos Pro) line in Wacom seems quite ok. I say only this : If you can purchase the Large (L) model, you would get IMO a really great product for drawing, and allowing serious work with much more control and accuracy, this also translates to speed in production, and more comfort (more pleasant experience! ). I know for sure I wouldn't go for medium after trying almost every possible size. I use XL, and I realize this can be a bit too big, even for me. But is smooth and accurate as no other tablet that I had before (including a Cintiq 12WX). I even prefer it to an iPad Pro, even while the iPad Pro pen technology is probably better (in the aspects that I really care), but that is why is so important the canvas size in a tablet for actually drawing. So much that a probably superior tracking and rate, a winner in parallax (compared to the Wacom's pen-display tablets) , a such natural behavior Pencil experience, gets defeated by the tiny tablet surface size. IMO is best for sketching, indeed.... It is still great for many illustrators, but imo, not a device for everyone or every possible use in illustration. While I can say so about an Intuos Large. And even this would be not totally accurate, as a total newcomer to digital illustration (a traditional painter or traditional comic artist) will find more natural a pen-display, even a cintiq alternative. But this whole advice is for people at least having got slightly used to handle any sort of non screen based drawing tablet, at school, a friend's or family member house, etc. (most people out there interested in drawing, thse days). Still, the hand-screen coordination is not so hard to learn with classic tablets. Art Rage ? good, indeed. Very. Specially good if you are after of natural media finishing look in your work. But IMO is a specialized use tool (I tend to prefer general work horses allowing me to draw (ie, Affinity Photo, PhotoShop, and seems Krita is slowly going there, too, including or perfecting general editing features. )). Performance wise, not so happy, but it does work fine. Pretty usable, not sure if it'd do fine with some huge resolution files of my work using a ton of layers. (I believe the free edition had limits with layers, or no layers) . IMO, a very nice tool to have, (I have used quite the free versions, but plan on purchasing it as an add-on in my "arsenal") but I would not have it as only app, is not a general package, imo, but a great painting specialized tool. You need something complete for image works, like Affinity Photo or PS. You need it sooner or later. But I am a friend of having tools installed that do great in specific areas. A project can suffer many imports/exports in my day by day, so many that is not a big issue (from my POV), now. I don't have gesture functions in my old Intuos 4 XL. Don't need it, IMO. is nice, but IMO, not a key thing (and quite a few apps get messed up with it, or directly don't support it). I zoom with mouse wheel (some ppl prefer the Intuos Pro Ring, I use that one for brush size, just a preference) as I do so anyway as well with 3D software, all the time, and I need the mouse for too many things, so, one hand is always using both wacom pen and mouse, I have as an automatic thing in my brain for that, I even don't notice, by now. Keyboard to one side while I draw, but some people have an Ergotron arm for the keyboard and another for the tablet (or one for 1 of those, only). Dunno, is too much money. Even in the times that I have it (a large sum of money to throw), I have this POV with hardware: Whether is the times I am at a company and then drawing at home is only as a hobby or earning some extra bucks, or if I am as a full time freelancer, it needs to be sustainable. Unless you earn one grand per week with this activity alone, needing to replace software and hardware of the top higher costs makes no sense. So, for me being sth maintainable, is sth that I can replace easily ANY month, independently of being it a bad or good month. And so that I don't loose so much money in the tools. That said also because I have quite a good monitor, a hardware calibrator, books, software (big global cost)....So, purchases are IMO best done if you buy the most functional and higher quality stuff at a reasonable price. Again, if you earn 4k bucks a month, no reason for not having a cintiq QHD, AND a intuos large (I've drawn in cintiq, and I personally get tired in my 12 hours drawing day), mounted with Ergotron arms, an Eizo or high level Nec monitor, hardware calibrator (imo, both calibrator and a good monitor are a must in many cases...), etc, etc. So, is a very personal approach of each person, but even having the money, an Intuos medium or Intuos pro L size are GREAT options (specially the large). For people not having drawn *ever* before with a tablet, cintiq or cintiq alternatives are easier. But IMO is now better to wait to some even more improves (they are getting better fast) to the cintiq alternatives (Cintiqs are very mature), if you want them for serious work. (they are pretty fine if you ensure through checking and testing already, with heavy usage in some of those models, that with stabilization features in your painting software, you can overcome the wobble for your particular type of work. I would not bet on that in my case.... (that said: I ink with stabilization ON, often -not always- )) The new "cheap" line from Wacom (intuos) have more functions in the tablet and pen than the small ones that I used back in 2001 (and all years later. Been using tablets since 1990), and by then, I used a small size one (A6) for all the 2D work and drawings for several commercial games. So, is not like it does not work at all, I am just saying, the difference is HUGE, even between a medium and small size, way better with "Large". PD: So, one of the important conclusions : using a Cntiq 24HD or 27 QHD is great (funnily enough, for some of us is less pleasant/comfortable than having a screen (a professional monitor carefully chosen and calibrated) at a bigger distance using a Wacom Intuos Pro L), using an iPad Pro is also very nice, as IMHO, (at that size you are very limited, tho, is a pity, as at larger sizes it could easily beat Wacom), but I can consider a Wacom Intuos Large as a standard high quality tablet for drawing, illustration. Some art styles are pretty fine as well with a medium size, be it Intuos or Intuos Pro. For a total beginner, or very casual hobby stuff: Intuos Art, but medium size, all the way. Note : I am not related in any way one could imagine with Wacom (have been very fan of other brands alternatives till very recently, indeed) , neither with Serif. I say things about this just how I know them from my experience (and so, my conclusions vary in time). When I like or dislike a product, I just say it, obviously I have no gain at all in this. or I'd have my own Youtube Channel, lol. Will fix typos later, srry, need to rush now... hope serves for raw information, for now, before that purchase.... EDITED (Sep, 7th, 12:24 GMT) : Fixed many typos, re-wrote a lot of stuff making no sense due to the speed at which it was written.

Well, if you are asking.... Because it is not slow if well configured. because some people -me- is happy to trade installing abit more RAM, and live with the fact that maybe Bledner Cycles renders faster in Linux, for example (with other software or to achieve other graphic tasks, does it worse (mostly as the software is not even yet there)) in exchange of very key advantages for a professional graphic work. I do so and earn my plate of food this way in main fields of graphic creation and editing (since decades). And because even if that were true (with a good machine and well configured OS, well, I've been using it since always, and my daily tasks run pretty smooth here...And I do print resolution stuff in a very old machine....) the availability of software, of drivers for virtually any hardware, compatibility with the whole globe in terms of software used by clients and whoever (this is way more important than it seems...), and it being quite practical as a system for users that don't want to loose time with the actual system (Macs are even this in a higher level) makes it quite a nice choice for doing graphics. And I have used the 3 systems (and Linux when it was much harder(and limited) to use, later on used for a while Ubuntu and similar flavors). I miss too many things in Linux, "not yet there" (as a proof, here a lot of people constantly requesting the software to be ported to Linux, while in Windows or Mac there are a bunch of other good , professional level alternatives (to Adobe's) already. IMO Affinity has the two more complete now, but the others are quite good and established. (happens in both Mac and Windows.))

Could it be of help to you disabling certain Windows Service ? https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/2c220l/tip_for_drawingpen_use_on_surface_pro_3_palm/ I have done that in the past for other reasons. And one person there suggests Autohotkey free utility to perfect even more the solution . I use sth similar for other matters (X-Mouse Button Control) and those things can become really handy. but the main thing is disabling the feature for a whole session of Photo if you don't plan anything else needing that... As you said Surface, you are on windows. you can enable/disable this service easily. ("Run.." at Start Menu, and type services.msc, or better, do a shortcut icon in the Windows task bar. And even better, the autohotkey shortcut). I know, Surface tends to do those little dots due to palm rejection issues. I'd disable that service as mentioned, for drawing. Oh, wait....it's a Surface...that may lead you to handle the whole program and windows with the pen (for me, no biggy, but other ppl is less used to that). Also am the kind of guy who always tries to plug a traditional mouse to that kind of thing...(defeating all advantages, I suppose)

I (graphic grunt thick skull, not being a programmer) completely understood it, don't worry.

At a third read I understood the paragraph (it makes sense, btw). I blame the language barrier....

Anyway, my final and everlasting view on the matter: We are extremely lucky to have Affinity line as an alternative to the giant. Be it in Mac or Windows. (meaning, if you hate Win, just go for a Mac (they are great), we're already very lucky to at least have the option for making pro work !). You can tell me tons of arguments, but imo this one is rock solid all things considered. And to me, this is the most important conclusion of all these matters...(counting at least on an option, a valid alternative, finally)

the thing might be more about OS independence rather than needing an inet connection...ie, you could ship sth like (similar) to a chrome book but with all that being already local (or download the distro with those apps by default, or downloadable per user choice of apps (like Debian's apt-get or whatever in that flavor), not running from a server all the time, so, connection, i don't see an issue, more than a Linux has today, unless am missing sth). Issue till now for graphic apps running over browsers, for very demanding tasks (not some low res sketching, and LR is supposed to deal with large images and cpu intensive filters) has been performance due to access low level to hardware, and the fact that browsers are very bad optimized in several cases. I guess this could imply a modification or production from scratch of a very low weight browser, acting as a launcher or sth, or find a way to make it of no impact. What i am watching is mostly considering how to optimize the way of coding multi threaded stuff using JS, that can run locally, completely. Game engines work fine so, just very far from C++ native engines' performance, in what i have been able to check. And that gap in performance is a killer for the whole thing, imo. Plus, stability in browser when ram/resources is largely consumed (or just memory usage itself) is very bad, but i guess they are already counting on all that.

lol...watched part of the vid...multi threaded code in javascript ! ouch... as it's using that....there are nice game engines in js, but to compare performance ...an old mate - I was a front end designer, he back end (that sounds absolutely terrible, lol) in a company that among other things made web portals...but he was all about Js and combined it with databases stuff, java, rails, etc.. would find this pretty interesting, as I always used jQueries (and b4 just the premade js available) instead of coding js myself, never learnt that (old graphic grunt, mostly) ..... no time now, is an hour vid, but pretty interesting, will end watching later, seems promising.

...for now, every thing in a browser does not give me the huge performance (many native softwares can't fully reach there, either, so...) I need for several projects (ie, large print files with many layers), or, means a reduction of that in a considerable way, but yep, could happen in a future. Specially if for once, hardware ends up going way further in performance than what apps keep demanding.

i have to disagree, here. IMO, the whole thread is a bit out of place (to say it gently) since this is the company's forum and they have stated which are their plans and their position about the matter. But other than that, attending to what we were speaking about, that new "fork" is 100% on topic and indeed one of the most interesting aspects of it. I cannot provide right now (as is sth I've gone reading/seen mentioned in many articles, of course, only a few of those seems fully reliable, in general) sources/links now, so, don't give any validity to this paragraph if you wish not to, but for several even critical writers, the reaction has not been massive, meaning comparing to the whole portion of people buying and updating Windows 10 (which is enormous) . You of course read a lot of it as are the ones willing to write about it, and they are quite angry (IMO, they have reasons to be), but the comparison with the people that don't mind or don't care enough, seems the other chunk to be an important majority. Yet so, the pressure (so, that's why I mostly don't completely dislike the pressure, ) is simply quite heard as the people against this is very vocal, active, and many with prestigious blogs and being themselves well know as tech people (btw, a bunch are just pretending to be that, sadly). But this capability of being heard/read/watched has itched enough MS to answer a few times against these concerns (and even to produce certain update), because, well, I have been working as a SEO guy at some companies, and even a single voice shouting sth critical can hurt a company you don't know how much, and is not easy to compete with that (not even easy when the good guys are in the company), not even with SEO techniques, articles, etc. In some cases it's highly unfair that the company tries to hide its bad actions -seen it, from inside- and in some other cases, is really unfair for the company when it's innocent, as you can't really fight against that and win completely. You can argue that yes, just posting your internals, but that's not a possibility for many companies due to competition's industrial spying, just showing your cards, etc (is what a competitor might be waiting, and in this world, I am more than sure that other attacks are indeed started secretly by the competitors). Not in a closed source commercial world that is very similar to the jungle. So, considering the fact that the number one problem (helped by the small staff/resources, hard to find certain profiles issue, doubts on if Linux users would purchase in a majority, technical problems, staff not savvy in that system(probably) yet, etc) is the OS user base size (no matter how many brand new users register here to add a post to this thread, numbers to consider are way big, it's another entire kind of thing, and something not oficial and not tested goes no where, despite all the good intentions, even less for investors and companies) , which last times I checked, measured GLOBALLY (not, "hey, that web page which talks about security and Linux has a 50% of Linux users....", c'mon) I've seen percentages like 2,66 %, and in any case not surpassing _globally_ the 3% of global users, then with that you have no where to go to convince to invest their (not the ones of any company, it would depend. IE, Adobe surely could, just they seem not interested, many years as a proof) limited company resources/human power in that user base instead of in one that counts on the dunno what, 60% or 40%. A small company does not have 7 lives like a cat in that saying, has usually only one chance when putting its small resources in one line. Even a difference of 10% means a lot in money terms. Or a 5%, lol. But in these matters stats are very unreliable, so, with a 5% of only difference they might have considered, dunno. So, we're talking here now about sth suggested by a new user : that it could be a larger number: from the actual biggest user base could be flowing a yet to be known quantity of (Windows) users escaping from MS's privacy issues, and towards Linux. It is an interesting new take, I could never call that off topic, indeed, very on topic... But I have my serious issues/doubts with that in real numbers. To a lot of people I have spoken to, specially colleagues from art making and graphic edition in general, what they are mostly (majority are concerned by way more mundane stuff) considering (these group am referring are mostly pros) is moving to Apple Mac OS, IF anything (in games making, have seen no case). Not to iOS (some went crazy with iPad Pro (I almost did, TBH), but some are returning from that), neither to Linux. But yes, that's my personal stats, and I read certain number of posts, not just here, of some Win users flowing to Linux. What I have been able to see, very far from massive, though. But indeed, could be one possibility if, again, serious stats of that happening, in solid numbers, could be shown. I have checked these days stats places (from both "sides") and don't see the Linux user base growing or having grown significantly due to that or any other reason. But you never know the future, time will tell. You can't criticize tho developers for going with the safe bet today, now, instead of ONE of the many possible future things happening. They have a very ugly and non trendy habit, like me : eating every day. I mean, salaries, machines, licences, place rent, etc, wont pay itself. With an open source foundation from start behind (ie, like Blender has), it could be different (still, very hard). But is far from the case.

I definitely do not have such concerns, or I have them, since day one, but maybe at a toned down level, I consider that at practical/work level I'd loose *a lot* more going towards an OS that is not having the mass of the software that I need (being a 2D/3D graphic game artist, designer for print, illustrator, etc, I work in very varied stuff, image related) and being compatibility with clients files/software/workflows or when working at companies, this compatibility with the machines at work, in many small or big aspects(many small issues in a day destroys any good work pace), this is given to me mostly by Windows, and a second chance, it'd be Mac (you mention Maya in Linux, there's Houdini, etc, etc, but there is a ton more graphic software at pro level (2D/3D, print stuff at high levels(it's a royal handicap, that one), game engines, etc which are Windows based in a large number)). If anything, I could consider having a mac instead, as it counts on a good collection of graphic applications, native or ports. But like happens to others, certain software (in much smaller proportion than with Linux), price/flexibility in mounting/building my own machines is lower from my POV. I'd definitely could consider Linux if this all were just a hobby. My feelings go more with that philosophy, but in other considerations, I love that Windows is very practical as a system (or might be that I know it quite deeply), it never changes in a way which i don't want, I have that stuff quite tied (I recon I am using just Windows 7, but I install, configure and maintain a bunch of Win 10s (friends, family, etc). And so that you don't think I'm pure Evil, have installed Ubuntus, Debians, Red hats(Fedora now, I guess) and Slackwares in the past, even one Mint, and other flavors to neighbors family and friends, when the planned usage recommended it...in exchange of one beer equivalent and a dinner(er... A pizza and some peanuts, usually)) I don't know ho much people is my situation: Not loving the new direction of Windows, but not worrying too much about it, as all what I have as a conclusion after reading diverse sources, since first mentions long time ago, till today, is: there's telemetry, very certainly, you can't really disable it, but no one has solid proof of WHAT data is actually being sent and what MS does with it, or plans to do (my bet is mostly ads , targeted, and mostly in MS specific applications(which I hate btw, for other reasons non privacy related), not in all OS), but to which (us, this group of ppl, I dunno how big we are in numbers) is way more important to keep being able to work and get income than a non measured (not either known for certain if it would really affect us negatively) loss of privacy. I mean, losing some privacy -and as you admit, less in any case than what some people is giving away in certain phones, the internet of things and gadgets- that surely is never the content of an email, or skype conversation (I have a hard time to believe that) opposed to almost not... eating (not getting the plate fo food), lol. Because I don't see the issue as solved -in my case at least- by a Linux version of AP and AD. There's a lot more which I don't see happening simultaneously not in my craziest dream... (and I know lots of the alternatives or alpha projects aspiring to be so, having tried most, at least, DEEPLY, and quite a few, used heavily at work at companies where purchasing software was not an option. ). If Linux were already there -it might reach there at some point, we're far from that, and I don't have a rich uncle to do sth else in the meantime...- , I'd move just today. Even I could have a certain advantage over those Win users wasted from MS that have not used Linux before, the users to which you refer as the mass of probable real change of the situation....I've used that OS (even more, combining it with Windows, that has some interesting tricks to learn, at certain levels) deeply both at home and years in companies. Maybe the situation is just so nice in 5 years, u'd see me then as a convinced Linux user... If I were in your situation, determined not to use Windows anymore, just in a VM, I'd consider also -opposed to only use it inside a virtual machine, I've used a lot that at companies, and has issues- just having a Windows machine with the graphic software, and any other software related to my freelancing or very heavy/serious hobby (IMO, a light hobby does not need Windows), not connected to internet in a regular basis, fully isolated (I know a pair of great professionals doing that since win XP, but to avoid issues of any type, not privacy), connect and let it update whenever you'd wish to perform an update, disconnect, and have another machine with permanent connection, having there linux or Mac OS, and with that handle all your personal communication (u could easily mount a samba file server or, if fearing sth, just move stuff with any USB storage device). I have very serious doubts the very diverse and hardware tied graphic software that most of us need would work great under a VM, I've done many tests of that with VM Ware and Virtual Box, trying crazy things. Even if they get to improve sth related to the GPU, am sure the other many issues -performance, etc- will show its uglier face in one or another software that would happen to be essential in more than one project. I don't know you, but I can't allow that, that'd be the end...

THANK YOU !! (bookmarked)

I need to rush now, so , will read the full post reply later. But have had time to read several of those links you just posted. The second one requires me to register to their publication (lol, talking about privacy... ) , which I am not very in favor of making right now, so that one I couldn't dig. But the first one, I went to which seems to be one of the most key articles, which he linked from that group, the EFF, and well, you said the article I posted was from a Windows tip site webmaster, so, biased, but IMO, this people indeed base their activity having a large portion of the articles attacking Windows, so, not sure of who is more biased. I read that important article, and is all the time trying to see how bad the thing is, even a little "too much" (scaremongering is a business and a fabulous way to bring traffic, too (works great in health matter, tech security, end of the world, etc)). Sorry, personal impression after reading it, that's all. Main reason for this is that most of what it says is well known stuff, with this constant effort of "enhancing " it, and speaks about Cortana as if it were something that cannot be deactivated, or that is an actual issue, being so easy remove it. Even more, most of what it says about telemetry is not proven. It merely is saying "i don't know for certain what is being sent". Which is sth happening with MS System for a lot of years, now. About data travelling encrypted, I don't know if I explained it badly. Yes, the telemetry data might travel encrypted (not sure about that point, if all does it, etc) but what about encrypting with your own encryption your data, your entire hard drive ?. Some close friends do this, and definitely not for a particular reason like the OS, just because they know quite a deal of security matters, and prefer to go that route. One that comes to mind is Linux bsed since always, so, yeah, even being in Linux! . The other one uses Windows since several years despite having been an expert in Linux for a very long time. Scientist, researchers, etc, do this in many cases by default, as no Linux, Unix Mac, or whatever system is free from having an attack and being vulnerable to it, and that is a basic measure when you have such critical data (or you give it that importance) in your power, besides have it in back up in several buildings even in different cities. Doing things in certain way, the OS does NOT matter that much, I can tell you this. It can be sending whatever, but you can definitely ensure the data by using the OS in clever ways, and be careful to what you use to send and transmit, use only encrypted based communication software, there the "Evil OS" can't do a single thing (surely you don't do this, you are posting in a public forum (and have not checked, but many of these forum or other site apps wouldn't work well behind a VPN), now MS and its Nazgûls could go after you...j/k ). And...if are in this wave of thinking, just don't use MS included apps, (not speaking just about cortana) , like IE (haven't used since eons other than to check sites I design) , neither Outlook, their shop, Messenger or any of its embedded applications. There's wonderful and very secure third party applications for literally anything. You will tell me this is basic as a recommendation, but you would be surprised the number of people so vocal about the telemetry that I know which they confessed me they were using Cortana, IE, Outloook, the Windows Shop, etc, etc. The world is not denying to use Windows 10. Is using it massively. That is the reality. Yes, you can go against that main stream flow, but you'll get a ton of issues, and in most cases, will force you not to be able to work with a lot of clients, enough as to kill a business, if you are freelancer, or anyway will have no choice but to handle it inside a company, if you work at a company. And you end up handling a lot of critical data at a company as well, after all. Not just the company critical data. I used never to do that, but people does, in large percentage : In the many companies I worked at, personal data and communications were for me very out of place (and that time was being paid by the company, too), and for my own security, never transmitted that sort of thing (more worried about the local network proxy node caches from the company than a "Fumanchu-like" baddie like MS...The former, at least I had evidence that it occurred !) but a crazy lot of people reach the company some minutes before, check all their stuff (Messenger, Skype, twitter, Facebook, personal mail, etc), and then start to work. not to mention the ones that does so in work time. A ton of people (and BTW, I don't see most of the millennials having these concerns...). And I can tell you this... they are massively forced to use Windows 10. This is a wave very difficult to stop, is the main flow. yes you can play the rebel and say 'I wont use it', but to me, what I loose if I don't do it (basic income) is way bigger of an issue. Besides there are ways of ruling out totally those concerns (encrypting yourself all your data (encrypting the hard drive(/s))(did that for a while when worked as remote, by company rules...also using a third party VPN, etc), for example, using PGP (been there, done that) based communication tools, etc). if you REALLY think it's worth it... Oki, I will read the rest of your post later and reply to that, I have used now more time than I had... Please, don't apologize for your English; mine is worse, makes me look terrible. ;D

http://www.askvg.com/do-you-need-to-worry-about-privacy-in-windows-10-answer-is-no/ I don't agree with everything in that link, but there's interesting info if you read the full article. Even if it does not convince you one bit (most surely) , well, I still would add the following.... Besides a bit of paranoia tends to come with this theme, you are giving much more away in other devices, and/or administration, social media, company contracts, inscriptions, phone conversations, etc, etc.... Even more, probably you are being already more than watched by the administration, police, etc. We live in a society.... Even more, we are giving data even just browsing, or saying an opinion in a forum, or in our place of work , using a phone and using/installing (a lot of ppl do so without thinking it for a second, the same that become paranoid with Win10, even putting their card data on many of those) horrid super invasive apps for everything, or by family members spreading what they think is cool in facebook or twitter, or just by registering in one of those, etc.. Life is always a trade off, you can't have it all. Want full ("feel of") privacy, go Linux but if you know it deeply (if you are just a wasted MS old user, chances are unless had previous experience, you (I don't mean "you" specifically, don't know your circumstances, but any Windows user wanting to move to Linux(of the portion of ppl u speak about that would do the move), typically with zero in-depth knowledge about Linux) surely know little about Linux system, its security, etc), without this knowledge and experience, you have similar number of risks depending on what you do and how. Linux is not a magical secure solution by itself alone. So, about the trade off, Main professional graphic applications are not there (to me blender, wings3D, and krita totally are(professional), though, even if their UIs are hardfor the majority. UI or not, a lot of people think they're not at that level. I believe "not for all pro uses", but yes for many.), and this company has no interest in going in that route, they have stated this many times (you mentioned you did not read all thread, I hope at least you read the latest posts (otherwise it'd be a bit inadequate to post). Their statements are from early pages, tho). Then the chance is deal with the available software for linux (and I love a bunch of them even while using their Windows ports, mostly), or use virtualization, or have a work-only Win machine with some - maybe paranoid - extra measures (hey, you can encrypt your hard drive and all info, is not like they could do anything with that travelling encrypted, if your fears reach that far...And this wouldn't be paranoia, just a safe way to work) and separating critical data. But IMHO, Can't force them to do what they don't desire to do.... Even if would just be that they only "enjoy" programming for Mac and Windows (which most surely is far from being the reason). Is their call, and one should respect their decisions and roadmap.... There's an important aspect not to miss... the human one. If developers/owner/investors, whoever, get pissed off with too much insistence, you are doing the opposite of what would be motivating them to take certain route. My 2c at that, also....

some linux users (a lot that have yet used not much Linux,or at least certainly not since the 90s) keep doing the 1-post thing... I have no issues with that, although yep, a bit too old of a thread. Part of the issue is the tin foil hat fear that a lot (of windows 7 users, and I am one but for very different reasons) have with Win 10 (ppl who can neither configure properly a win machine to avoid a 99% of the telemetry, at least the one that could be significant).... thanks to several posters/writers that saw a way to bring very fast attention/traffic to their blog,video channel, you name it...

You make very good points, but my point was, and is, that Krita has always had the main purpose since birth in serving to actually paint. A bit like also MyPaint was born with that main focus. One of the major differences among the two, for me, in advantage of Krita was the care about CMYK color mode in Krita since very early. To me. that's a 10 , that is, for people needing to make pro stuff. Yes, you can do certain photo editing stuff pretty well in Krita, but that which you mention is a very small portion of what you can do in Adobe PS (ie, the pwoer in selections, which is so key in any image editing). I handle that one for all image editing related fields, almost, since '95 with its 2.0 version, and its depth is yet unrivaled. AP is coming very close, and some features are done more cleverly in it already than in PS. To beat PS is a giant's task, tho (but often sth is beating for the sum of price, purchase options, quality, convenience and sympathy generated in the consumer base, with the minimal requirement of at least being, "good enough" , which imo, is the case with Affinity line. ). That's part of the problem, we come from huge standard. Half the people here in this thread are wanting merely to have a "Photoshop in Linux" (because Gimp is certainly capable, no mater what it is said...at least in many ways), really. But selection tools in PS are way to far ahead of what there is in krita or gimp or virtually anything on earth. And don't get me started about text tools on Krita. But indeed, this less developed areas are actually in the works right now, the Krita team is very smart, and know these very well (who have serious probs of funding right now, btw, if anyone wants them to grow, graphic software for Linux, there is where you as a Linux user can take action directly, unlike where is much more difficult, in commercial applications with investors involved, other structures, etc) . I don't complain for that for the very same reason I am trying to develop here: Krita has gone for the excellence in painting first. You only need to see the crazy collection of brushes, the response to wacom pens, the amazing number of settings for brush behaviors -is even crazy- , and the ton on tutorials around painting, comics etc, against the much fewer in photo retouch. It indeed has a sum of features thinking directly in a very specific kind of illustration for games: pixel art. Each team has a main focus for their application, this is very normal. Yet tho, as the app is maturing, which has been doing for a while, they are filling more and more gaps. If anything, Krita is one the best promises in Linux/Open Source field. For me as a painter is way more than a promise, although for painting I use lately almost exclusively a tool, very cheap, often not mentioned on inet, so, commercial, and it is very capable, I even prefer it to Krita for drawing (but I don't see my self using it much for general image editing, or photo retouch) and which obviously wont mention here. For exactly painting, this could easily change to move ALSO my painting tasks to AP 1.x in the near future, yet not sure about that as my projects are what direct my actions, and I tend to keep using same app through a long project. (Designer is already one of my main tools for vectors) In my way of seeing things, giving more strength to mostly Krita and Blender (I am not sure of knowing where Gimp is heading, not too fan, I recon. I love that it exists and have used it quite a lot, as many companies were not keen on the money investment of a PS) is where the real help to Linux as a whole should go, but maybe I have become old fashioned (hey, Linux is not console-only and installed in floppy disks anymore... whoever also remembers yet that....). Yes, I am not a fan of Gimp UI, that's why I use it less late years, or at least less at home, but I use it from time to time, and it always shows me a lot of depth and...capabilities are there (sadly, not all), is only longer procedures. Despite my posts here, I would love an Affinity for Linux, in the future. This is a very personal opinion, but IMO, if Affinity team would make yet another "fork" or generated a whole entire team (yes, these programs are so tied to specific graphic coding stuff and system libraries... it's not even a bet they could or wished to take to make it working without certain graphic mode in Windows, so, go guess how things would be with an entire new OS for very GPU related engine and system graphic libraries linked code (I suppose)...) to be able to at least try and make something REALLY equivalent (otherwise, there you have yet another pissed off group of people because Linux AP performance is not as snappy as in Windows. And this cr4p happens inside companies with very talented ppl.. i could tell a horror story of one company almost sinking for "assuming" java on Linux (on those years!!...now i dunno) would need to go faster in Linux than in Windows... quite the opposite, and they were 100% linux people... . It was even written in the contract, so, dunno how they avoided a the total sink, as that was not possible in months, the FPS were not achieved, by far. We have had that for a while from users comparing between Win/Mac, about performance differences, here in the forums (you probably have not read them), I have always not cared about that, as an app that comes from Mac, been ported to Win (imo for clear market reasons, not for preference) is expected to have issues. The 2% in Linux (or 2.66 %) of the whole tart still has not been countered by serious data in the whole thread. That's what investors or whoever is the money people in the company will be able to handle and consider, logically ! Or they would be the "pasional freak people", instead. These are rarely the actual programmers doing the actual developing tasks. ) iPad version is having a tremendous success, in my opinion, because maybe iOS not yet being a real OS (look at the issues with the "file" system, the poor color calibration options, etc. Adding a new brand new RGB profile does NOT cut it, but also due to the fact that the large monitors are not yet available (seems ppl do not wish large tablets, I'd love to buy a 18" tablet, hehe (none of my monitors is below 23")), and we people working at the stuff need these two things for work, at least a big portion of us. But there's a bazillion of hobbyist -and some very talented pros- using already iPad Pro, dealing with the issues, of course, and mostly, simply the pros apps, the competition, are not there, not even Gimp-like level, in a massive way. Procreate is really good, but to me it has some extremely necessary features lacking (hello, CMYK (but how and why, if the OS does not really support it), better support of PSD format, etc)) but unless they have data that convinces them of the money advantage of doing a full Linux port, that wont happen for certain time. IMO, not before at least polishing AP and AD for Windows/Mac Which is sth that will certainly benefit the Linux port, as they are now polishing them in the platforms they know better for now. Even more... a lot of you have just ONE post here. Not issue with that , personally. None at all. Zero. But maybe you ignore very long threads (some even about this Linux matter, actually) that were even wars against the developers (as if...ok, I'll leave it there) because APub, the Publisher that Affinity will produce to complete the graphic suite, has needed to be delayed. So, one of the number one issues to develop a Linux version right now would be even just that one. No way on earth they could do the works of it with the temperature of things in the Apub front. A wave of internet furor might run again over the forums and yet other places. Heck... not only that...there are very long time complainers, IMO a bit too picky (issues are there, but they are not considering the size of the team among other issues) about actual AP and AD problems already in Affinity, that people would jump in their chairs (in a big %) if read that efforts of a tiny group is diverted once again in a new adventure.... You would want to avoid ALL of that if you just want to do your job well and with some peace, as itself has a ton of pressure by nature.... Even a thousand members with 1 post (in case several are not same person, have seen a bit of everything on inet, even more having been a forum admin in other places, surely is not the case here, tho) has nothing to convince an investor, board or whatever. The numbers to be handled are WAY bigger that what you can show in a forum, even if you make a slashdot effect of 1-post members every day. My 2c.... The percentage of users in all the world, the amount of big-money companies that could be target, etc, etc, etc. That's what they look at, is what pay salaries and gives margin of benefit. That "I would love to have it" of some individuals is not enough, by any means, I am afraid. Even if seems like a good lot in a forum thread. If varying stats from very different sources seem all to point out that "globally" (really hard to make a solid/reliable stats, very specially in the Linux case) Linux users are not yet reaching a 3%....well go with that number to an investor against focusing resources in OSes that have the vast majority of users, in a ridiculously big proportion (Adobe has NEVER done a PS Linux version, go guess... I say that with sadness, tho. And they certainly have the resources, but probably think it's not worth it in money gain matters (considering the big WORLD numbers)...or...that the old code base would be a nightmare to port. Or most surely: a bit of both. ). That's one of the main problems. But not the only one.... there's the roadmap plan the company has and the several groups of users interested in certain long started or promised applications, the system/coding/hardware technical problem, the difficulty to find very experienced people in very peculiar matter (one of the main reason given by the team, they just obviously got tired to repeat it over and over, people don't dig for their answers in the same thread!) for a whole OS, etc. And if the money person/s is/are not convinced, then there's nothing to see here.... Not even for passion can anyone risk other people's salary, and the main survival capability of a whole company. IMO. I have lived this from inside several SMALL companies (YEAH, is the case. very small) attacking too many fronts: Most which I remember, talented programmers did fly away, they could be paid better and with less pressure/great conditions being so tallented at many other companies. Adding that extra project for which the team would NEVER have enough time, and so, receiving triple pressure is what I've seen most teams being disbanded and companies sinked. It typically did not affect me, though: I only considered how good was the internal company behavior, as 1) I like pressure/challenge 2) When is an application company, most of the pressure goes to programmers. Obviously the designer for everything too, but in a different way, and we are used to that. In game companies, cr4p goes to everyone in a more equally distributed way... But in my 8th to 10th company I was brave enough (or just wasted enough of seeing companies sinking) to warn about this when I saw a too fantasy lover manager. U can do what u can do, not more. Superman does not usually work in development companies. Mostly as he would be scared.

I could agree that Gimp has limitations....But Krita, in its field ? Well, it has them too, but it is in another galaxy. What one needs to asume is that Krita is a software for painting, for illustration (is what I do, mostly), so, water color brushes might be more important for those individuals. Krita DOES handle CMYK, much better than Gimp, yet not the great support you can find of it in Adobe or Affinity, but at least it is there. Its visual assistants (rulers, etc) and its stabilizer for the brushes are really, really good. Now it even includes animation (yeah, I don't need that, but is cool). Sorry, but no, that is not true. Is it a photo editing application? Nope, not really (it can do some, though). That is why people just join it with Gimp, or if can use Windows, just have some of the many photo editing alternatives in this OS (quite a bunch, already) . IMO being Affinity Photo the most complete.

Well, I believe Maya's advantages (and it is saying it a 3DS Max lover, as I had to use it to earn my plate of food for quite some years) used to go way beyond just the fact that counts on a Linux version. BTW, I purchased XSI, sth I liked more than Maya, of course, the reduced "Foundation" version... it had Linux version, too (then Autodesk acquired it and end of story). Maya was typically much more powerful in animation (Max later evolved a lot thanks to addons like CAT, but yet so...) , and mostly, Maya's Mel scripting is crucial to both film industry and game creation, specially in large game making companies. It just allows a lot more in team work, and to do very complex stuff in animation and interrelation of things than any counter part in Max. So, there are IMO much more advantages in Maya than just counting on a Linux version. At least for animation. 3DS Max is really strong and practical in other areas, indeed, for many years it has been a crude fight among the two in the studios, today, not sure who is winning the battle, am a bit disconnected. Yet though, I keep hearing that mantra, there's no graphic applications in Linux... i have done heavy photo work with a combination of Gimp, Krita and others.... Yes, Affinity goes very strongly for what the actual professional and advanced hobbyist need, no doubt in that, and yes, would be the closest thing to PS you would have in Linux (hey, and probably also in Win/Mac, though in the vectorial package there's a pair of very strong alternatives, at least in Windows ) . It is a bit sad that projects so old and that have gone such a long way like Gimp are constantly ignored. Heck, I'm an ex Linux user (for many years, and IMO more in depth than many of the typical users of today, for which stuff has been made much easier) . Late years am mostly Windows, and am yet downloading every now and then Gimp (Win version) to check their work of improvement. While IMO, is a more successful project than Gimp, would be as unwise to not take seriously Blender.They are extremely different in the UI handling to the Adobe / Autodesk standards and for such, have a steeper learning curve for the majority, but the power is there, to high levels. There are lacks in capabilities, in both (IMO, less , way less in Blender ) but that can be overcome with clever workarounds/combining with other apps, even some command line ones. I understand that you desire to have AP and AD in Linux, would be nice to see, but it kind of makes me jump on my chair to read that there's no graphic software for those tasks in Linux. At least I would be less surprised if reading : "the solutions available are not in the highest professional standard, but capable to an extent", which imo still would be an arguable statement, but at least would be something... And... I only consider of some weight opinions from people who actually know Gimp well, and are capable of doing with it advanced work. Otherwise, those statements come from ppl that got scared with its strange UI, but this does not speak at all about the actual capabilities of the software. For example I know deeply Inkscape, I know so where its weakness and strengths are, for having used it a lot. I know Illustrator is better in some ways, in some ways more intuitive too, but in that case, in certain aspects Inkscape can be faster / more intuitive. It is indeed a capable vector application, just have tons of problema with offset printing due to the not fully developed CMYK and color profiles for print support. But you can do a ton of other stuff with it (and today, a lot of print places acept RGB vector files, their machines do very weird things, so... far from ideal, but you can still do some work for print. Or pair it with Scribus, or some other app supporting better CMYK color profiles. Import , edit, and export from there. My point is: there IS graphic software for Linux (raster, vectors, publishing (Scribus)) , although I agree that with Affinity they'd be full covered in many unsupported areas. But the money/time/human resources issue is still fully unsolved in this long thread.

This ^.

Notepad removes text formatting... that's it... What is not being able to translate, somehow... Have you tried copy-pasting first to Windows Wordpad ? That would loose some of the formatting, but keeping bold/italics, etc. I haven't checked, just an idea. Hmmm.... or no... not that simple.... If is not all of the text, just some of the letters, then can be the original font from Libreoffice has more or different characters in its TTF (or whatever the type of font.) than the one you are using at A. Photo. Some spaces... maybe is not translating well the kerning or something... That seems a cyrillic type of font, what is needed. Probably the destination font , the font you are using has not full cyrillic support. Is the font the same ? if it is, might be some stuff related to cyrillic support in AP. But ie, fonts that support cyrillic language, maybe you can make tests with one of these (again, I dunno if that's the issue or sth internal of AP) https://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/list/language/cyrillic Edit: Nope, seems you are using Arial in both, checked the video. I guess is cyrillic support at some level/point. Anyway, here, a list of supported characters supported of Unicode MS Arial font (maybe Windows's Arial differs from a special Arial version from Libreofice? Wouldn't be surprised... ). http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/font/arial_unicode_ms/blockview.htm?block=cyrillic Maybe check with a different font than Arial in both, a font about which you are certain it has full support of Russian characters, then try the operation having set the text in that font for both apps and documents. So to eliminate factors. :) More about Arial and Russian characters encoding (once again, not sure if is an AP issue, but this would be a great way to know, testing with a font -probably not Arial- that completely supports cyrillic alphabet ((for instance downloading one from FontSquirrel , above )) http://winrus.com/fonts_e.htm

I would say that yes, there might be a niche in adapting to Linux OS and eventually also trying to replace PS in VFX (and in science, medicine specifically, cloth design, etc, etc) workflows (I for one would love it for both, even while is not my field, and Linux not my OS since a while (but still like it) ) , I just don't see how they could do that right now, before consolidating AP and AD (at least eliminating bugs that any young application must have by nature, and making both rock solid. Indeed, it'd benefit VFX once gets there. If never get that golden status, it might then never arrive to VFX and Linux, anyway), and after that the PUB app (publishing application, like Quark, InDesign, etc) first release. I don't see how it could be doable in other way. But to comment about the other part, I would say is not really that far to replace PS in its own stronghold, of course, only for those users not happy with the subscription model. For anybody else, (everyone happy with the monthly 50 bucks and not owning a license, but some form of rent) I believe Adobe would have to screw things really bad for those to jump on the bandwagon. Simply, the discontent ones or just people that have always used alternatives, is way too huge of a market. The functionality is pretty similar already, and while I'd agree the same problem exists, that companies with complex Actions, scripts, or as an example (there are many more situations) just code, native applications, plugins, based in handling the native PSD format till its very specific and last feature. That is one of the many things that make PS near to unbeatable in every field (plus the inertia of the dominant standard, same happens with the Windows dominance, extremely hard to beat, in every way, and it's been decades, now, and decades hearing Linux users saying : Windows is dying! If I've had a cent for every time I've heard that, I could retire already...) but the thing here is, the numbers are massive in the area where the stronghold is, so to speak. And you can do a simple google search to detect the huge amount of discomfort with the subscription model. You have also risk, but the reward has better numbers. Again, I do suspect that if the company had the resources, it would attack any sort of market chance to which it could aim to. And even so, prioritizing the best bets ! . If it doesn't, my guess (well, not only guess, we have read many times the oficial statements, even in this thread) is just they can't afford it, for now. Is curious this way of speaking, as I totally think they are being extremely ambitious already, considering their resources. And i agree with R C-R in his observation, I kind of meant that when said that every VFX studio might have its take on whether abandon their established -even if crappy- existing workflow....Issue here is that investors, the money people, don't love making wild guesses or assumptions. They love going for safest bets... And with safest bet, I'll expand on it a bit more with a personal example, maybe my point in this is a bit more clear.... I trained in several fields, reaching a point were I could do a lot of 3D, and was kind of very technically advanced on that. Passion did not let me see other very key things. Number one was... that once I studied the numbers, the market, and requests for 2D work, in global, public statistics, and putting inside that field, everything graphic design, illustration, or other forms of 2D art, even being kind of older stuff and 3D more "exciting", in a way... its market is HUGE compared to just 3D.... Today 3D is grabbing more and more terrain and momentum, I agree, but when I saw the numbers, I got shocked. Of course, there might be less 3D people trained to certain level, and with experience, and loads and loads of people able to do 2D (then again, the key is at certain levels, there's not that crowded, requires too much personal effort/sacrifice).... yes... but there are still a lot (competitors). Guess what, as a freelancer, a lot more work in 2D than in 3D, by far, or that what I found. Of course, 3D is often -not always- kind of well paid, but not requested as often. 2D can get really poorly paid and disrespected, too, but in a way, big numbers win for the everyday. It is unrelated, But serves as an example. Yes, if all aligns, luck helps, all matches, etc, it could be a good hit, but imo, there are more chances in the other. And there's the ceiling for each thing. Yep, in best possible circumstances, in that niche it could be a "nice hit". In the other wider/massive field, the reward "could" be much much higher. Very difficult, but there's a taller ceiling. (there are investors preferring safe things. But there are also risk investors aiming the crazy possible gain of certain large numbers, not aiming for just a few millions. I mean, risk investors are not after just some nice gain. I have no knowledge which is the case for the company, of course.) Plus, an essential thing for every company, IMHO : Keeping the good name, prestige, reputation. They have compromised to get two solid apps in Mac and Windows. They need to first accomplish that to keep a good reputation. Then face other projects. I firmly think any other way would be The Way of The Dodo.... The way they would be respected by general press (imo, they are, quite, actually) and pros is consolidating AP and AD in Mac/Win, then focus all strength in the PUB app, which would close the circle, the suite for the bigger field. I wouldn't be surprised if after that might come new lines of work, but like in everything, would be their call, is impossible to know. In any case, all this above, and I could include all the long thread posts from anyone, except the ones written by company members, is an extremely wild guess, lol....

That is a fair point, and well explained. but is trusting on all those studios actually moving to Affinity. Even while having all apps in Linux, I dunno in VFX, as my field was video games, and later on just graphic designer for web and print (and then back to games, etc, I move as market changes in my region), but in game developing, and whatever other field in which there are in place very complex workflows (happens so in general in VFX and films as far as I know...), companies tend to have workflows, scripts, Photoshop Actions, macros, very linked to long years projects, and even a whole way of working for all the company (ie, plugins, c++ custom applications that count on those PS. Actions and scripts, etc). For many studios might be a hard step to make, or a too risky one. And so, it would be risky for Affinity (for Serif). At least, way less than concentrate on replacing to certain percentage Photoshop and Illustrator in ANY field (including those VFX in Windows, as, even having to still pay the Windows licenses, they'd save about 50 to 60 bucks per month (way way more than a Windows license), plus whatever subscription price increases occur in the future, adding to it that they're non permanent licenses, this presents several issues.) They still would have an option with that market which already have Windows only just for the PS and/or illustrator need and nothing else (or almost). I for one am way more flexible in my opinion than I was earlier in the thread. BUT... I still see all the above (they're shooting for the safest line, safest bet, and that's outstandingly clever) , and consider the overwhelming fact of counting with a very reduced staff (compared to competitors), and seems it has not been such a thing of money matters, but a definite difficulty to find the level of experienced people at the job (it happen in other industries, not that strange) , with around 15 years of experience doing a very specific type of software. Of course, money sure is key, too, I wouldn't ever be able to be convinced otherwise... I mean, if you have a "peculiar" zillionaire backing the project, a risk loving person, then yeah, but I'd bet even in that case you first need to double or triple the staff and resources. If that would be possible, and achieved, become a reality, ONCE that is a done thing in the company, then, I'd say, have an apart team only for linux, surely managed or helped by the programming aces around, but as for now, it is pretty clear that there is a lot of stuff on their plate with all what's going on. I can only try to imagine the waves of anger if a Linux version of whatever the app is started BEFORE the publishing application, that indesign/quark/you name it alternative. As you see, the situation for them is very delicate, to say the least. My 2c. If all the money and staff happens to make possible to boost all that (PUB app, linux versions, keep at good level both the iOS, WIndows, and Mac OS versions, launch a new coffee brand, etc) I'll applaud that like crazy, be sure of that... What I don't see is trying to do everything at a time.... My 2 cents of a feathered selection....