KC Honie

I have been using NeoFinder as well. It keeps reasonable track of my 1.25 to 1.5 million graphic assets.

WOW, that would be fantastic!!!

You are right, as a photographer, Affinity is no longer for me, I switched back to Lightroom and Photoshop. I must have DAM functionality. If I were a working graphic designer I would have to have DAM functionality as well. Serif has created reasonable tools for the hobbyist, but few working pros would be able to use the tools. For the photographer it would be a near trivial task to create a lite version of AP with a DAM called Affinity Develop, but for all of the apps they desperately need a proper (better than Bridge) DAM. I presently use NeoFinder, at least all of my digital assets are catalogued. Edit 1: As an aside, when I went back to Photoshop, I was shocked at how far along the product had progressed, masking shocked me the most. Serif really needs to up their game... Edit 2: As a company Serif has "hung their hat" on creatives, and not providing a way to manages those assets in their apps is unconscionable. I have close to 1 million raw images, many thousands of edited keepers, many thousands of shooped images, and untold numbers of graphics elements from AD. How would you propose managing those assets without a proper DAM? I wish them well...

That would be great!!! "Just" a bridge knock off would be unfortunate, but a good start.

Undoubtedly, Serif has spoken loudly by their actions. Of course it is also possible that they know they desperately need the app in their portfolio and simply do not have the capital to support its development and marketing. For me it was not a huge deal. I simply switched back to Adobe, both LR and PS. I no longer use Affinity Photo, Photoshop is so far ahead it is shocking. But I would still have purchased Affinity Develop had Serif chosen to create the app. The integration between Affinity apps is very compelling.

Dude that is precisely what we are talking about Serif doing, ("create a photo management/storage/database/photo development app"). All we are asking for Affinity to add to AP or create Affinity Develop with the these features photo management/storage/database/photo development. The core of the app is done Affinity Photo, wrap a DAM around it and you are done.. I and the others are precisely on topic, I am not sure why you cannot comprehend that. Maybe you just want to argue inane points on the internet. This is the last response to you, I DON'T CARE ONE IOTA WHAT YOU THINK!!! You are now blocked

There is the pedantic part again... Any raw developer, C1P, DxO, or Affinity Develop is a light room alternative. I am sorry the nuance of the discussion is hard for you to follow.

Nope not at all, you are simply being pedantic and not listening to what people are asking for, I want Serif to complete the suite of apps (that 5 years ago they said they would do). I don't want a LR clone, I want develop module with a DAM, that conforms to Affinity standards, not Adobe's standards... In fact I am back to LR and PS. I will no longer use AP because it is not integrated with LR like PS is

Unfortunately you don't understand the nature of a raw developer. Each app developer has their own proprietary raw development engine, Adobe uses Camera Raw, C1P and DxO roll their own as well, AP uses the open source LibRaw. Each of the engines develops the raw image differently (that is why C1P made such headway against Adobe, their raw developer engine was much better). The raw file is immaterial the magic is how you develop that file...

That is not what is being discussed here, I understand that the Affinity apps have lesser features than do the Adobe app. I am ok with that, I simply want a photo developer that is similar to LR, C1P, DxO, etc that uses the same raw engine as AP... Then you have seamless integration among the various Affinity apps. Without that app it forces one to move to another solution.

All ACDSee does is link to different editors, what we are talking about is tight integration between the image developer and the image manipulation apps, i.e., LR and PS both use camera raw and raw images are developed the same between both apps. That is not the case when, for example, round tripping between C1P and AP...

You have missed the point in its entirety... 🤦‍♂️ Most of us are here because we didn't want to participate in a subscription model, most are very happy with Serif's Affinity perpetual model. A number of us left Adobe for Capture One because of the switch to subscription only, then Capture One made the switch to a de facto subscription model. If we as photographers return to Adobe then we get Lightroom and Photoshop so that leaves Affinity on the outside looking in. It is a much more elegant roundtrip between LR and PS than between LR and AP or C1P and AP/PS. The raw developers among LR, C1P and AP are massively different. The reason we as photographers are so hard over on an Affinity Lightroom replacement is because the raw engine would be the same and moving between Affinity Photo and Affinity Develop would be seamless. For me it not about the cost, but being able to provide the best content. Edit: So what I did is ditched Capture One Pro, because of the switch to de facto subscription (you can still buy a perpetual license but it is a point release only), for the Adobe Photography package that includes among other things: Lightroom Classic Lightroom CC Lightroom Mobile Photoshop Mobile 1TB Storage Some other goodies Now Affinity Photo sits unused, camera raw is the raw developer shared between LR/PS, roundtrips are seamless and OMG, the power of PS is mind boggling, the masking tools of LR and PS are nothing short of amazing. Photoshop is lightyears ahead of Affinity Photo. Would I purchase Affinity Develop if they were to offer it? Of course, I would love to try it, but it looks like I am back with Adobe for the foreseeable future.

I don't disagree, but it has to be seamless, it cannot be a clone of Photoshop and Bridge...

I edited my post to make it clearer, I don't use Affinity's raw engine either. I had been using Capture One as my RAW developer and have subsequently transitioned back to Lightroom. Both Lightroom's and Capture One Pro's raw developer engines are MUCH MUCH stronger than Affinity's. I was using C1P as my developer and was round tripping between C1P and AP when I needed more than C1P could provide. That is why I wanted an Affinity LR/C1P replacement, roundtripping would have been seamless. Now I use LR and PS. I still have AP loaded but I no longer use it... For the price the affinity apps are great niche products, but they don't comprise a complete creative suite. Serif still needs a LR competitor, and one could argue a DaVinci/Premier Pro competitor as well, but it would be hard to beat the entrenched video editors...

For us refugees from Capture One, who opted to go back to Lightroom, LR's cataloging function is light years ahead of Capture One. I used to create a new catalog for for each shoot, because C1P's catalog is so unstable... I personally was willing to take the lesser capability of Affinity's Raw Engine (assuming they released Affinity Develop) to get commonality across all apps. I may yet take advantage of Adobe's $30/month offer for their Creative Suite... Clearly I don't fit the target customer profile for Affinity.

Following (in red) is a note that I sent to Serif. Because of the Capture One subscription debacle I eventually left Capture One (after trialing a number of apps) and went back to Lightroom and Photoshop. After installing and using photoshop it is apparent how far behind Affinity is falling. I like to say that the core of Affinity Develop is already done in Affinity Photo, simply strip out the develop module and wrap a DAM around it and you are ready to go. Then your raw engine is consistent across the suite of your photo manipulation tools. That is the reason that when switching back to Lightroom it only makes sense to move back to Photoshop as well. Serif didn't bother to answer, just crickets... **************************************************************************** I am a retired investment banker, strategist, marketer, and now photographer / creative. As I am certain that you are aware Capture One was popular in part because they had a robust perpetual licensing model (plus a fantastic product). Many of the same reasons that Affinity apps are very popular. I use the full suite of Affinity products. Capture One has made a move to force users into a defacto subscription model and ANGRY does not begin to explain the sentiment of the ~50% of users that are perpetual licensees. Opportunity The opportunity for Serif is for "Affinity Develop", an application that is a competitor to Lightroom, Capture One, DxO, etc. While not a trivial task to develop, the core is already done in Affinity Photo, simply strip out the develop module and wrap a DAM around it and you are ready to go. I would hope that Affinity Develop (as I like to call it) is in actuality fairly far along. Now would be a GREAT time to "leak" that news. Threat The threat is much more subtle, like many C1P users I am now looking at alternatives such as DxO, LR, Topaz Labs, RawTherapee, and Dark Table. If people bite the bullet and return to Adobe (I am an Adobe refuge from the subscription licensing model) then not only do they get Lightroom but also Photoshop and LR for iPad. Thereby depreciating Affinity Photo. I am personally trialing all of the app mentioned above. It would be fantastic to have a complete Serif Affinity suite including "Affinity Develop". Roundtrips between it and Affinity Photo would be much more elegant than between Capture One and Affinity Photo.

2019 old for a Mac???? Hahahahahahaha Sorry but NO, a 2019 Mac is very serviceable and will run the Affinity applications just fine, he may have to update MacOS, but the hardware is no problem.

Update: I left Capture One and went with Adobe so I installed both LR and PS. So other than needing to go back to a few images that I have edited in AP2 I have transitioned back to PS nearly entirely. I really hated to do that but there was just not a Serif solution

The interesting part is Serif is nearly there with the develop module in Affinity Photo, by extracting that module and attaching a credible DAM to it they would have a great competitor to the other Raw Developers. Alternatively they could simply create an add on DAM for AP2. If I go with LR/PS then I will use PS not AP2 (which I have a license for) because of the Camera Raw integration between the two is much better than round tripping between AP2 and LR. Maybe Serif thinks the photography segment is too small to add a Raw Developer app and I respect that, but it drives some of us to other solutions.

This is as good of a place to put this as any. I sent this to Serif outside of the message boards with regard to the current Capture One Pro licensing debacle. I am a retired engineer, strategist, marketer, investment banker, and now photographer/creative. I use Capture One and the full suite of Affinity products. As I am certain that you are aware Capture One was/is popular in part because they had a robust perpetual licensing model (plus a fantastic product). Many of the same reasons that Affinity apps are very popular. Capture One has made a move to force users into a defacto subscription model and ANGRY does not begin to explain the sentiment of the ~50% of users that are perpetual licensees. Opportunity The opportunity for Serif is for "Affinity Develop", an application that is a competitor to Lightroom, Capture One, DxO, etc. While not a trivial task to develop, the core is already done in Affinity Photo, simply strip out the develop module and wrap a DAM around it and you are ready to go. I would hope that Affinity Develop (as I like to call it) is in actuality fairly far along. Now would be a GREAT time to "leak" that news. Threat The threat is much more subtle, like many C1P users I am now looking at alternatives such as DxO, LR, Topaz Labs, RawTherapee, and Dark Table. If people bite the bullet and return to Adobe (I am an Adobe refugee from the subscription licensing model) then not only do they get Lightroom but also Photoshop and LR for iPad. Thereby deprecating Affinity Photo. I am trialing all of the app mentioned above and am leaning toward moving back to LR. It would be fantastic to have a complete Serif Affinity suite including "Affinity Develop". Roundtrips between it and Affinity Photo would be much more elegant than LR and PS and it would mimic (hopefully better) Adobe's camera raw. Here is some of the anger directed at CO. https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/articles/7998068628637-Changes-to-the-way-licensing-updates-and-upgrades-work-FAQ Alternatively a simply a DAM created for AP would be sufficient. As primarily a photographer, if I chose to return to Adobe (their subscription is much more favorable than CO's) then PS will displace AP. I would rather be horsewhipped than return to a subscription model but CO is forcing our hands. So come on Serif, show us photographers some love!!! As an aside once the move is made to LR/PS that customer for AP is probably lost. The transition from C1P to LR will be painful and most won't want to make that kind of transition again anytime soon. I would drop C1P like a hot potato if there was an Affinity solution.

I have the same question... I purchased AD and AP from MAS and Publisher from Serif. I also want to transition all of the licenses to Serif. I suppose worst case just delete the MAS apps and install those from Serif's store. I try not to purchase apps from MAS but direct from the publisher...

Even if you are in the throws of coding version 2, you still have to fix the major issues in v 1.xx…

AP is not a desktop layout application!!!

But they are fulfilling a need that Serif refuses to acknowledge. As software development goes competing in that space would be a fairly trivial mattet…

My suspicion is that decision has long since been abandoned... Like the DAM that was also promised in these threads.