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  1. Good question jimrobin. Looking at my screen shots, you can see, near the bottom where it says open in Affinity Photo. By the way, you don't need to choose lab tiff 16 bit. That would lead to CIE50. Choose something else. More questions? Kind Regards, David
  2. I would suggest this IS a color management issue. I did not say it is, just suggested it is. Kind Regards, David
  3. Use RPP 64 to convert your RAW files. Purchase that Canon 80D. RPP 64 is an excellent RAW developer. And that is exactly what it is. Like developing film with chemicals, RPP 64 does the same thing with RAW files. There is a small fee to completely use all the RPP 64. Just a small donation. It's not a subscription. All update have no additional costs. Read about the two gentlemen the developed this application and you will see why it's so popular. Kind Regard, David PS: Purchase that Canon ! ! I personally own two EOS 6D's
  4. I am finding some cr2 files, when exported crash AP. I had been working with one set of cr2 files and every one of the at export, crashed the program. I repeatedly, over and over again applied the procedure to go to the AP icon in launchpad, checked all markings, deleted them, and still the program crashed. Finally, I went to another set of cr2 files. When exporting them, they never crashed. This might help others with AP crashing. Some cr2 files have been change by anther program, such as RPP 64, or maybe something else has changed these particular cr2 files. I am the person that complained some weeks ago, me new workflow program AP was dead in the water. Remember? STAFF: Are you aware of corrupted files by some other RAW converter, or anything else, that would cause the RAW cr2 files to crash the application upon export? Cheers, David
  5. Consider opening your RAW in RPP 64, and send it directly to Affinity Photo. Let us know how that works for you. Cheers, David
  6. When will you offer full color management tutorial? Sad to say, I find color management in AP is non existent. If it is there, I appreciate knowing where correct and complete color management is. Kind Regards, David
  7. Ihodaniel: With a pair of MacBook Pro, 8,3 each, and a pair of NEC PA 272(1), I promise the 17 inch MacBook Pro displays can never ever give the correct image information! The PA's are calibrated with the SpectroView II, like yours. NIK software is not in my workflow. Hardware is the i1Pro vD, spectrophotometer. I would suggest color management in PA in poor or even non-existent. This issue may or may not be part of your experience. Previous post I have done my or may not help. Posted Yesterday, 08:03 AM Quoting from outside Serif, the colorsync-users@lists.apple.com. As far as I know, anyone can go to his user@lists.apple.com. "AP is a nice program for lots of reasons, but color management isn't one of them. Their implementation of colorsync is a kludge at best. I've written to them extensively to point out a few of their shortcomings in that area, and I think they know it's bad but won't admit that it's broken until they have it fixed in a future release. At least that's my hope. They're releasing a Windows version very soon, so that's a major revision and hopefully we'll see some improvements on both platforms. They have a help blog but not many people there deal with color management. I stopped using AP because of their clumsy profiling, but I don't remember having the same issue you've got. Just make sure that when you open your file in PS that you assign the same working profile that was used in AP. It might not be embedding the correct one." I, me, David, is not alone with this issue. It's an AP issue not resolved. Should I have known this information before purchase, I never would have put my money down. My error in not finding the clumsy profiling in the first place. The suggestions thoughtful folks have made are all in vain. I was correct in my assessment early. Color management is non existent. Now I can't understand why I was led on an extremely wild goose chase by staff, members, videos, support and others. I now assume you all knew color management did not exist. Just tried to cover it up. In my opinion making a baaffoon out of me! Allan, why didn't you simply advise me there is not color management in place? Yet the ads INFER color management IS in place. Ad claims precise. Again: quote " Affinity Photo - Professional image editing software for Mac affinity.serif.com/en-us/photo Affinity Photo - the fastest, smoothest, most precise professional image editingsoftware, exclusively for Mac.: Will, not yet, and will eventually get there. Kind Regards, David B. Miller, Pharm. D. Posted 24 March 2016 - 10:31 AM I did the exercise as suggested by csp. The results show what have been seeing ever since using AP. I simply dragged the image file to PS CS5, as well as to AP beta, and this is what has been my issue. I would expect an image file to look the same in either application. As simple as it can get, when the exact image file is opened in both applications, that one image file does not look the same. I have not manipulated the image file in any way. My thinking is the image file is to look the same in either LR, PS, and AP. In AP I simply dragged the file to the icon. Nothing more. And that is what I view. Since I did not do any adjustments in AP, I cannot understand why the image file is different. There is no soft proofing in AP in these examples. I thank everyone in advance for assisting me. Kind Regards, David
  8. Quoting from outside Serif, the colorsync-users@lists.apple.com. As far as I know, anyone can go to his user@lists.apple.com. "AP is a nice program for lots of reasons, but color management isn't one of them. Their implementation of colorsync is a kludge at best. I've written to them extensively to point out a few of their shortcomings in that area, and I think they know it's bad but won't admit that it's broken until they have it fixed in a future release. At least that's my hope. They're releasing a Windows version very soon, so that's a major revision and hopefully we'll see some improvements on both platforms. They have a help blog but not many people there deal with color management. I stopped using AP because of their clumsy profiling, but I don't remember having the same issue you've got. Just make sure that when you open your file in PS that you assign the same working profile that was used in AP. It might not be embedding the correct one." I, me, David, is not alone with this issue. It's an AP issue not resolved. Should I have known this information before purchase, I never would have put my money down. My error in not finding the clumsy profiling in the first place. The suggestions thoughtful folks have made are all in vain. I was correct in my assessment early. Color management is non existent. Now I can't understand why I was led on an extremely wild goose chase by staff, members, videos, support and others. I now assume you all knew color management did not exist. Just tried to cover it up. In my opinion making a baaffoon out of me! Allan, why didn't you simply advise me there is not color management in place? Yet the ads INFER color management IS in place. Ad claims precise. Again: quote " Affinity Photo - Professional image editing software for Mac affinity.serif.com/en-us/photo Affinity Photo - the fastest, smoothest, most precise professional image editingsoftware, exclusively for Mac.: Will, not yet, and will eventually get there. Kind Regards, David B. Miller, Pharm. D.
  9. I did what you suggested, as suggested. The screen shots show there is no match. And, I do thank you for the suggestion. Screen shots show the two images on the 27 inch display, as well as on the MacBook Pro display. Just doesn't make sense to me why the one image file looks different than the other in either application. Simply dragging a given image to either application, in my work flow, as in PS and LR, the display show the same looking image. Kind Regards, David
  10. I did the exercise as suggested by csp. The results show what have been seeing ever since using AP. I simply dragged the image file to PS CS5, as well as to AP beta, and this is what has been my issue. I would expect an image file to look the same in either application. As simple as it can get, when the exact image file is opened in both applications, that one image file does not look the same. I have not manipulated the image file in any way. My thinking is the image file is to look the same in either LR, PS, and AP. In AP I simply dragged the file to the icon. Nothing more. And that is what I view. Since I did not do any adjustments in AP, I cannot understand why the image file is different. There is no soft proofing in AP in these examples. I thank everyone in advance for assisting me. Kind Regards, David
  11. But, to be clear, are the AP image and the "image ready to print" the same file - i.e., the same exact file, just opened in two different applications? YES. Don't use preview. Good article. I don't have any issues with RPP, LR and PS. Thank you for the link. I am trying to isolate your problem in a methodical way, so we need to start with some simple experiments with well-known conditions. I say "your" problem, because I cannot replicate it on either of my Macs. Good thinking. I have two 8,3 MacBook Pro 17 inch non-glare displays, with 16GB RAM. Each uses the PA272 (1) for actual work. Both show the same color issue. I will do the methodology suggested. Sure glad you are assisting.
  12. For at least ten years, I made an attempt to go to photo printers, not prepress, in my town, and show them how to save money and not continually print to match the display they were using, or adjust their display to match what came out of their printer. Some where willing to try, and where delighted. Others just kept chasing the perfect print at the expense of ink and paper. I don't consider myself a color scientist. You can find some of them on the colorsync-users@lists.apple.com I do enjoy having a fine replication/representation of an artist's original art. Gives my great joy. This is my goal with Affinity Photo.
  13. Here is a screen shot where I did not use soft proofing. The AP image and the image ready to print are not the same. AP is more saturated and brighter
  14. Thanks RC-R. I read the discussion. Guess a matter of semantics. Still puzzled. Still must use LR with it's soft proofing. Even PS's soft proofing. Nothing else seems to work regarding AP. And I really want to use AP. Has anyone tried 'assign profiles', or 'convert to profile' in AP? See if that makes a difference D
  15. I have watched the sp video, over and over again. And again, just know. I did exactly as the voice told me to. No match. According to video, and please confirm, he suggests the sp is to see what the printed image will look like. Sorry. Not on my display. And would someone explain what is meant and the process to do it, when he says 'merge'? What are the motions I do to merge like he says?
  16. Here is an image file completely processed in AP. RAW converted, soft proofed, sized, and exported. Opened in PS CS5....the screen shot of them together shows they don't match. My goal was to make the image in AP to be perfect and ready to print. And it is. You can see the image in PS CS5 is not as saturated as in the AP image. What's the point? Not salable. I use Printao 8 and would simply slide the PC CS5 image into Printao 8, and print. What I see in PS CS5 is what is printed in Printao 8.
  17. Kirk, please show me where I use absolute colorimetric rendering intent. Or are you messaging someone else? Today, I have been using RP, LR, and PS CS5 for my job. It works for me. Sure do wish someone could guide me in AP, should it be I don't know how to use the application. I thought the videos and other help were guiding me to use PA to it's fullest. If AP is perfect as is, I need one superior tutorial, in slow motion, to guide me through the process of color management. My work with RPP > LR > and PS CS5, is what I have been using and works. Again, my dream is to do this AP.
  18. AP 1.4.2 beta 3 in use. The screen shot with the soft proofing window open is the correct soft proofing. Your view of the screen captures is correct. Everything is in beta RGB, since that is what RPP uses. Includes AP and PS CS5. Have not used the non beta version since Learned about the beta 3. The color differences existed in 1.4.1. Another screen shot inclueded. Is black point compensation to be checked or unchecked? I use Perceptual rendering. Have used it for at least ten years. Learned this from classes, lecturers, books like Real World Color Management by Bruce Fraser, Chris Murphy, and Fred Bunting. Date on this book is 2003. ProPhoto RGB is considered by some too large of a working color space, yet that is what I still use. Before AP, I would finish RPP in LAB tiff, 16 bit.. Convert to ProPhoto RGB in PS CS5. The printer/ink/substrate is custom profiles by me. So is the display. Tools are i1Pro version D, spectrophotometer. For display profiling is use SpectroView II software. Currently print to Epson SW cold press, natural watercolor paper.
  19. Kirk. I appreciate you know RPP. 1) How is your color management policy set up in the "Preferences > Colour Profiles" section? What is your RGB Color space (your working color space) and do you have any automatic conversion to the working space (with or without warning) enabled? convert opened files to working space is NOT checked. Keeping all three image programs in beta RGB, what I find is RPP and tiff images appear the same in PC CS5. These images appear more saturated and brighter in AP. I'm trying my best to follow everyones suggestions. Still don't know if black point compensation is to checked or un checked. Will Lanczos 3 (non-separable) make any color, saturation, or density changes? Under Document > assign icc profile, what do you suggest?
  20. Yes, Allan. It is ticked. You may have missed my screen shots. Yes, Allan. This is what I am writing. Hey guys, I'm having some issues with colour management when I export my images from Affinity Photo. I'm working in the ProPhoto RGB colour space and have imported a 16 bit, tiff image. But once I export i'm seeing a noticeable difference in colours. D
  21. This is extremely misleading. False advertising. Carefully read the promotion. I fell for it. Serif........give us color managment Affinity Photo - Professional image editing software for Mac affinity.serif.com/en-us/photo Affinity Photo - the fastest, smoothest, most precise professional image editing software, ... Chosen by Apple as the best Mac App of 2015. 5 years in the making,Affinity Photo redefines the boundaries for professional photo editing ... End-to-end CMYK workflow with ICC colour management, and 16-bit per channel editing.
  22. Ask more question? Me? Peterkoasa and others complain I ask too many questions. Allan, enclosed screen shots show what I am able to do. One of your screen shots show a blank in presets. I am unable to make it blank. Stays tiff RGB 16-bit. Quotes from last year showing color management is flawed or non existent. Tutorials, are not going to make flawed color management go away. As I have written before, image files in my usual and customary workflow do not have this problem. LR 6.4 to PS CS5. Even with RPP 64 > LR 6.4 > PS CS5. : Members 11 posts Posted 26 February 2015 - 01:39 PM This is a serious problem for me My working space for RAW files in PhotoshopCC 2014, Lightroom 5.7, Capture One Pro 8, and Iridient Developer is and will be Prophoto RGB (LR uses Mellissa RGB I believe which is close to Prophoto) Opening any one of my RAW files in all programs except Aiffinity gives correct colors on my calibrated monitor. Affinity gives over saturated images with a strong color cast which can only be corrected by assigning either Apple RGB or sRGB neither of which I want to use. Newbie Members 1 posts Posted 09 February 2015 - 12:31 PM I have the same problem. I want to work in ProPhoto, but I'm not able to get accurate colors. Maybe I'm missing something and am just accustomed to using PS for years. I'd assume I'd be able to figure it out though.
  23. Sad to say, color management fails! ! ! ! Kind people at Serif, please, please, correct your color management. You, Serif, knew about this over one year ago, and have not addressed the issue. No wonder I was having so much trouble and being told I asked too many questions. Serif is the problem, not me, David. I trusted Apple and their promoting AP. I purchased without knowing, you, Serif, had a known flaw in the AP. At this point, AP is truly worthless to me ! ! ! ! ! ! Advertising can sure miss lead me. And others. Can you, Serif, tell me what good your AP is without proper color management? Kind Regards, David Posts from other AP users: Posted 09 February 2015 - 10:25 AM I appreciate the profile settings in the preferences for the different color modes (RGB, CMYK, Greyscale, Lab), but i'm at odds with how color magement is implemented. When choosing sRGB, images with ProPhoto profile are rendered with wrong, oversaturated colors whereas sRGB profile images are displayed correctly and vice versa ( undersaturated colors for sRGB images) when choosing ProPhoto as default profile. So color management doesn't seems to work as it should ! Posted 09 February 2015 - 12:02 PM I can confirm this. ColorSync Utilities’ Color Calculator shows that ProPhoto RGB 0-255-0 corresponds to 0-255-0 in my display profile, whereas sRGB 0-255-0 corresponds to 91-255-14 in my display profile. When I open a test TIFF image (16 bit, monochrome green ProPhoto RGB 0-255-0), Affinity Photo correctly says (in the upper left) that the image is “RGBA/16 ProPhoto RGB”. The green color, however, is displayed as 91-255-14 on my display (as DigitalColor Meter reveals). In other words, the color conversion to the display is sRGB → displayColorSpace, not ProPhoto RGB → displayColorSpace, as it should be. Posted 09 February 2015 - 12:31 PM I have the same problem. I want to work in ProPhoto, but I'm not able to get accurate colors. Maybe I'm missing something and am just accustomed to using PS for years. I'd assume I'd be able to figure it out though. Posted 26 February 2015 - 01:39 PM This is a serious problem for me My working space for RAW files in PhotoshopCC 2014, Lightroom 5.7, Capture One Pro 8, and Iridient Developer is and will be Prophoto RGB (LR uses Mellissa RGB I believe which is close to Prophoto) Opening any one of my RAW files in all programs except Aiffinity gives correct colors on my calibrated monitor. Affinity gives over saturated images with a strong color cast which can only be corrected by assigning either Apple RGB or sRGB neither of which I want to use.
  24. Peterkoasa This is a bug at least since Feb 2015. And has not even been admitted by the good people of Serif. It's still one going. No wonder I am not able to use AP for my professional, or any digital imaging work! ! ! ! This might help you....there is a bug in AP! ! ! Yah...too many questions. For a good reason: https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/4712-color-management-weirdness/ Member Members 11 posts Posted 26 February 2015 - 01:39 PM This is a serious problem for me My working space for RAW files in PhotoshopCC 2014, Lightroom 5.7, Capture One Pro 8, and Iridient Developer is and will be Prophoto RGB (LR uses Mellissa RGB I believe which is close to Prophoto) Opening any one of my RAW files in all programs except Aiffinity gives correct colors on my calibrated monitor. Affinity gives over saturated images with a strong color cast which can only be corrected by assigning either Apple RGB or sRGB neither of which I want to use. Newbie Members 1 posts Posted 09 February 2015 - 12:31 PM I have the same problem. I want to work in ProPhoto, but I'm not able to get accurate colors. Maybe I'm missing something and am just accustomed to using PS for years. I'd assume I'd be able to figure it out though. Like This Quote MultiQuote Like This Quote MultiQuote
  25. Excellent questions, Peterkaosa. The X-rite 24 patch target is a standard for photographers. It is used for neutral white, or as some say, white balance. It's a long time standard in the professional photography industry. It's been used for film and now digital imaging. With a custom profiled NEC MultiSync PA 272w display, and a custom profiled Epson Pro 9900 (ink and substrate) what is on the acid free, archival, watercolor paper looks, nearly the same as what's on the NEC display. My guarantee to my clients promises nothing can come out perfect. Though, sometimes it appear it does. RPP 64 uses the 24 patch target to create a sensor/lens/lighting custom profile for a shoot. There are other applications that also use the target for creating custom .icc profiles. My working space is ProPhoto RGB. I use 16 bit, tiff image files. Layers are flattened. I see on my NEC display two different examples of the image file to be printed. What I am about to print after export, does not look the same as what is in AP. Since I soft proof, what I view on my NEC display from the PS CS5, is what the final print will almost look like. I may have to refine the image file a bit. My workflow for digitalizing original art is quite simple. I simply must make the finest reproduction of the artist's original art as I possibly can. Being color managed throughout my entire studio and workflow makes my process simple. No introductions of any kind of manipulations. Color managed means, camera's sensor, and lens, and lighting are custom profiled for the shoot. The NEC display is custom profiled daily. The Epson Pro 9900 is custom profiled for each and every substrate I have in the studio. That includes Epson matte Signature Worthy canvas. Yes, I ask lots of questions! I really want to completely migrate to AP! Did I answer all your questions? I don't print out of AP. I print using LSI's Printao 8 printer software. I have mentioned this before in previous posts. This might help any confusion of how I print. Sometimes I print out of LR 6.4, an image file that I had changed dimensions, and added borders. The point is, that very same image file showing up in PS CS5 on my display is the image file going to the printer, whether from LR 6.4, or Printao 8. You may consider visiting: colorsync-users-request@lists.apple.com. I am not a color scientist. That list does have color scientists. Just might help.
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