stingray
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17 minutes ago, loukash said:
The latter is available in Photo, too, titled "Deselect Layers".
I don't see that. There seems to be no 'Deselect Layers' function in Photo. At least, I can't find this here.
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Thanks again for your advice.
FYI, I meant I have no choice with dragging from the pipette from the colour panel.
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Thanks loukash. Great advice. You have really clarified the design philosophy behind Affinity Photo in this regard. I'll check out 'Deselect Layers'.
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Thanks Walt for this great advice. That really does clarify the options.🙂
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Thanks @loukash I'd been trying those moves in various ways. To be honest I'd been trying to avoid the dragging of the pipette from the colour panel as it sometimes involves a lot of mouse travel. Looks like I have no choice in this particular case. Thanks again for taking the time to reply to this. Much appreciated. I intend to set up a key command for rasterise.
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Thanks Walt. Yes, I'd been attempting to change the behaviour by de-activating 'Apply to Selection' but when that is not active the colour doesn't get activated properly in the colour tab... it's just activated in the small colour circle next to the colour picker symbol. And so the workflow of returning to the Flood Fill tool and attempting to fill a zone doesn't work. Basically, I'd be hoping that I could use the colour picker and flood fill tool with an Image layer in more or less the same way as I can with a pixel layer - but I'm guessing this must be not possible and not the way the software is intended to function.
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@PaulEC thanks for your reply. I am not trying to do anything differently. I'm attempting to make a basic function easy for myself.
Do you know how best to use the Colour picker and Flood Fill tool with an Image layer? As far as I can tell using the Colour Picker and Flood Fill tool behaves as expected with a pixel layer but with an Image layer these tools seem to behave differently. I may well have missed something. Just humbly seeking help on this. And as for your comment, I'm using Affinity Photo here. I mentioned Gimp by way of comparison which I think is completely valid.
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Thanks for your reply @walt.farrell
With an image layer, when 'Edit All Layers' is active, using the Colour picker tool automatically immediately updates the colour scheme of the image after picking a colour. De-activating 'Edit All Layers' stops this happening. TBH this may also be a colour picker tool issue. I don't really understand how I can use the colour picker tool and flood fill tool with an image layer... the tools behave as expected with a pixel layer but the behaviour is different with an image layer.
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Please reply in the other thread.
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24 minutes ago, R C-R said:
What is so difficult about rasterizing an Image layer?
I knew somebody would say that. Nothing is difficult about rasterising an image layer except my laziness - and I consider I have the right to be lazy when doing something basic. The Image or Pixel layer has certain advantages but apparently there's also a price to pay. My topic above mentions GIMP and others where this is much easier to do from the start. Yep a key command makes it easier. My original quest was to not have to do that.
Please continue this in the other topic here:
I won't be replying any further to this topic.
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For anyone concerned with this, I think I may now partly understand the issue. It would seem that the type of layer (pixel or Image) has a great influence on the outcome. Use of the colour picker doesn't have the same behaviour with a pixel layer as an image layer.
When used with an image layer the colour picker and the Flood Fill tool behaviour doesn't seem to make sense.
Can anyone here explain how to effectively use the Flood Fill tool and Colour Picker with an Image layer?
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I'm finding the colour tools in Affinity Photo particularly difficult to use and unnessecarily complex when compared to Gimp and others.
For example, consider the following case:
- copy the screen and paste the image into Affinity Photo using File / New From Clipboard
- select the Colour Picker tool to sample a colour from the new image
- select the Flood Fill tool with the intention of filling another part of the image with the colour which has just been sampled
These three steps do not work. The expected result is not possible to achieve in any immediate sense. Instead, the user must first convert the 'image' layer into a 'pixel ' layer and then click on the tiny colour picker circle in the Colour tab in order to get the colour properly selected in order to then use the Flood Fill tool to fill the desired area !!!
I'm sure I'm missing the point somewhere here, but why does this have to be so difficult? In my opinion, the colour tools are extremely non-intuitive. Can anyone here explain what the intended workflow is supposed to be for picking a colour using the Colour Picker and then filling an area using the Flood Fill tool with an Image layer? This doesn't seem to function as expected here. If there is such a procedure please could you do this in a simplified step-by-step manner...
FYI I've just tried doing the very same thing in GIMP and i can achieve what I want to do easily in two or three steps with no fuss, no complications. Indeed, anyone could do it in GIMP because it works in an entirely logical manner. Why does this have to be so complicated in Affinity Photo? Surely, Affinity Photo should have considered this relatively simple workflow expectation when working with an Image layer.
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I realised I've posted this in the wrong section. FYI I have moved it to:
Please post any further comments to this other topic.
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@Ron P. thanks for that tip. I'll keep that in mind for other circumstances. Unfortunately, I'm very often using 'New for Clipboard' where no drag and drop is possible.
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Thanks @R C-R. Yes, I was thinking that might be what makes this fairly simple procedure more difficult than it should be. I was hoping there might be a practical workaround but everything I try just leads me into some impossible behavioural maze with no satisfying solution.
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When you use 'New from Clipboard' the 'Edit All Layers' function is automatically activated. Personally I want this to be OFF every time I use 'New from Clipboard'. It's frustrating to have to reset this each and every time.
Anyone know why this function is automatically activated in the above circumstances?
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Please could we have the Colour Picker tool 'Apply to Selection' NOT be active by default the first time we use it with an Image Layer. I don't quite understand what this function is supposed to be for, but I'm finding that I'm often having to de-select it with Image Layers. When active, it causes some unexpected colour change results since when active on an image layer will immediately update the colour of the whole image.
It would be great if its status could be remembered but apparently it gets re-activated every time you add a new Image layer, and also seems to re-activate when switching between different images.
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Got it! Didn't see that one. Thanks for your reply!
I still think that a modfier key would be better and easier to use. It's a slight modification to the functionality of the Flood Fill tool only, which would be convenient and very fast and easy to do. This is in comparison to having to actually change the tool by hitting the 'I' key, click to pick the colour, and then hit the 'I' key a second time to de-select the picker. In my opinion, the latter is rather clunky and awkward when compared to a modifier key which suspends the Flood Fill tool only for as long as you hold it down which is better for co-ordination. The Modifier key solution is a one key press solution.
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Please could we have a modifier key on the Flood Fill tool to give the Colour Picker tool (for example by holding the Shift key). In this way you could select the Flood Fill tool and then immediately pick a colour anywhere in the image by holding down the modifier key and after releasing the modifier key follow by an immediate fill of another area in the image. In other words, this would give a quick, fuss free way of switching between the Flood Fill tool and the Colour Picker.
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23 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:
your step 2 is only needed if you happen to be working with an Image layer. It's not always needed, and for many cases and many users it's not.
Point taken.
But when working with an image which was pasted from a screenshot taken by pressing the PrtScr (Print Screen) button, for example, the layer would always start out as an image layer right?
I'm often pasting technical screenshots from other software here.
I'll have to look into the intricacies of and differences between image layers and pixel layers. Thanks for taking the time to point out some of the details.
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31 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:
But if you have an Image layer, you need to either Rasterize it or use Copy Flattened instead of Copy.
Exactly. Working from an image layer I don't want to use an extra step to rasterise and then copy. 'Copy Flattened' does that in one move. The whole point of the procedure was to do it in as few steps as possible.
Is there a way to use 'New from Clipboard' and have the image appear with the layer automatically set to a Pixel layer from the get go? Don't all imported or copied images start out as an image layer first?
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1 hour ago, walt.farrell said:
The only reason you would need step 2...
Thanks for your response.
It could be I misunderstand you or perhaps you have the wrong end of the stick 🙃. Are you suggesting an alternative method of doing this? or are you reiterating / confirming the need to rasterise the layer which is inherent in the use of the 'Copy Flattened' function?
You need step 2 in order to specify the selected area only. Otherwise a standard copy will copy the whole layer. Standard copy is not relevant in this procedure. The whole point was to do this in a procedure with as few steps as possible. There are countless ways of achieving the same thing... this was the briefest way I found. Please enlighten me with a different step by step procedure if you have a better or briefer way to achieve this... that is: a replication of a 'crop to selection' function in three or less steps.
And to clarify the use of the 'Copy Flattened' function alone. I have started to use 'Copy Flattened' in the following scenario:
1 - while working in another app, take a screenshot by pressing the PrtScr (Print Screen) button on the computer keyboard
2 - launch Affinity and select 'New from Clipboard' (Ctrl+Alt+Shift+N) in order to import the screenshot
3 - make a selection within the image using the Rectangular Marquee tool and select 'copy flattened' (Ctrl+Shift+C)
4 - copy this selection into another app using a standard paste function. Only the selected part of the image gets copied (which is what I want!).
Note / FYI
In my post above I meant to write: I worked out a very fast way of achieving a 'crop to selection' as follows
What's the point of the 'Edit All Layers' function being automatically activated when you use 'New from Clipboard'
in Feedback for the Affinity V2 Suite of Products
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Got it! Thanks for this. I looked everywhere but where I should have looked !