[Affinity Publisher weird Leading issue with headers at the top of a text box]

Thomaso you legend! 😀

I finally fixed it (thanks to your help). That was doing my head in.

I removed all the Leading Overide. Switched to Paragraph Spacing. Then used the Space Before to measure out the gap and it has worked a treat. The final problem with the Sub-header was that I had not checked the "Only at the top of the Page" marker with the "Use Space Before" check-list.

Thanks so much. I owe you a beer! 

 

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Okay, that fixed half the problem so far (Thanks for the help Thomaso).

I removed all the Leading Overide. Switched all the fonts (via Paragraph Spacing) to either 11.5 or 23. It seems to have worked for the main Header and the Base Text (so far at least).

For some weird reason there is still a problem with the Sub-Header. I'll experiment and see if I can sort it out.

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9 minutes ago, thomaso said:

So you seem to want a consequent baseline grid at least for the "Body Basic" style. Why do you avoid using it? Note, you can exclude style definitions individually from using it, for instance if your "Heading" styles should not respect it.

So what you seem to be saying is that I actually should be using a baseline grid?

9 minutes ago, thomaso said:

Your fix seems to make it worse, kind of on purpose, because character settings rule over paragraph settings.

I don't understand why, if my Header Leading is 23 (two lines), why is it not 23 when placed at the top of a Text Box? Headers inside the base text keep their leading at 23, just not when they start a text box - its totally confusing me.

9 minutes ago, thomaso said:

I recommend not to use any custom Character leading property here but Paragraph only, if wanted with "Space Before / After" for Heading / Subheading.

So you are suggesting...

1. Switch all character leading to Automatic.

2. Set Paragraph Leading to 11.5

3. Adjust Header/Sub-header using Space Before/After - which presumably saves to the Text Style...?

9 minutes ago, thomaso said:

The '+' indicates that either a saved character style is applied or that custom deviations are set. You can fix the '+' for selected text by clicking the "T in a circle" icon in the top right corner of the Text Styles panel. (or right click a style and choose from the menu / or click the burger menu right of a style name …)

Thanks, will try that.

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2 minutes ago, thomaso said:

Your setup appears just confusing to by its various parameters set without (obvious) reason that influence / override each other.
Aso note for the base style that it shows a '+' symbol, indicating it is not fully assigned as it is defined.

The text in my screenshot may appear different because I don't have your fonts – but the values …

Yes the missing font is Dancing Vampyrish. If my set up is confusing its partly because I have been trying to fix the problem for about 8 hours.

1. (Orange Circle) Surely by having Leading Overide at either 11.5 or 23, all the rows of text should be on one of the 11.5 rows? That's what I don't understand.

2. (Pink Circle) The -2.5 baseline shift on the base text was so that the text would parallel table text (not shown) when centred vertically.

3. (Yellow Circle) Not sure why the Body Basic Cardo is showing the '+', could just be me trying to fix the issue and I have changed something.

4. (Green Circle) I don't understand that Paragraph Leading and how it interacts with text (especially after I enable Leading Overide).

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4 minutes ago, thomaso said:

Ah, my last post was a cross post (haven't noticed your upload).

Can you upload a screenshot were you mark a few spots were you get the unexpected 1.6 pt deviation?

If you take the middle column on the page and move it 1.6mm above the column guide then everything fits. But really that was a shallow fix since the baseline text should really just start on line 3.

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You might be on to something here. Messing about with the space before and that may well have solved it (although not sure yet).

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2 minutes ago, thomaso said:

What leading is set for the paragraph (not in leading override)?
And how about space before / after?

I thought I was just using the default paragraph leading (although I did try tinkering with it a few times). 

I'm not sure about space before/after...that might well be where the solution lies.

I basically just want the headers to have a leading of 23 and the base text to have a leading of 11.5. But once I start with the header its all wonky.

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I'll attach an abbreviated version of the document to show the problem. 

Thomaso: I tried messing with the paragraph leading, but I don't see how that can work given I need two different leading weights (11.5 and 23). Either way I couldn't get it to fix the issue.

I'm hoping its something simple I have missed, thanks for the continued help, greatly appreciated.

Test Document for Affinity Publisher Forums.afpub

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1 hour ago, GarryP said:

Welcome to the forums @Upper_Krust

Do you have an example document which we can look at?
If you can make a copy of the document which only has the minimum of things which still exhibit the behaviour then it’s easer for us to experiment and see what’s what.

P.S. Have you checked to see if the Frame Text layer does or doesn’t have a Baseline Grid activated? (In addition the document’s Baseline grid, each Frame Text layer can have its own Baseline grid.)

 

Hey Gary, thanks for the reply. I double checked Baseline Grid from both View > Baseline Grid Manager and the View > Studio > Text Frame. Both are off.

I will upload a version of the document if I can't fix the issue within 30 minutes (trying Thomaso's suggestions - which to be fair I think I have already tried).

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Hi there,

really enjoying Affinity Publisher. however I have run into a problem with my latest project. 

I have a heading style (w. 23 pt. Leading Overide), Sub-heading (w. 23 pt. leading overide) and base text (w. 11.5 leading overide). 

If I start the top of a text box with either header, it completely breaks the multiple of 11.5 leading, knocking it 1.6 mm below the alignment.

Yet if I start with a line of base text and then add either header the leading is perfect, no matter how many combinations of each I use.

There must be something simple I am missing. I know Baseline Grid is not activated, so it can't be that. Any help would be greatly appreciated; my head is melted.