Kamei Kojirou
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22 minutes ago, 1stn00b said:
Development version of GIMP got CMYK , GTK 3 and many other things : https://www.gimp.org/news/2022/08/27/gimp-2-99-12-released/ almost ready for 3.0 release. And it's available on Flathub beta repository :
That's cool! One more major roadblock removed. Hopefully after that, they'll focus on UI/UX like Inkscape did.
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1 hour ago, pattmayne said:
I see that Krita let's you do CMYK color space. So this will replace Gimp and Affinity for me. I used Affinity for printed materials when I was using Windows. I've abandoned Windows and now Krita seems to be basically my only option. And it's pretty good.
Yeah, that's what we have been using for about a year now after my business switched to using mainly PopOS. we do mainly Vector and Raster art, but when I do need to manipulate a photo it does just fine. I'd rather support a native solution that supports the platform than duct a half broken solution that could be broken with each new version. Inkscape 1.2 replaced Designer for us and Krita mostly replaced Photoshop/Photo. We also use Dark Table and RawTherapee as well. Honestly, there isn't a whole lot we miss. YMMV but we made it work for us.
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Honestly, I'm not surprised. They have made it very clear this isn't a platform they want to support and that's totally fine and their choice. That being said, I love what they are doing by being an alternative to Adobe's subscription model. But I also won't be buying software that doesn't work on the platform I use either, and that's cool too.
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36 minutes ago, Medical Officer Bones said:
Krita is NOT a fork of GIMP. Quite the opposite, actually: back in 1998 Matthias Ettrich demonstrated how easy it was to hack a Qt GUI around an existing application, which happened to be GIMP. His patch was never published, and caused friction with the GIMP community at the time.
So because the GIMP community was unable to work together towards a better image editor, people in the KDE project decided to start their own image editor, called KImage. That was the start of Krita. and initially named "KImageShop", meant to be a GUI shell around ImageMagick. The name was then changed to "Krayon" due to existing trademark issues related to "KImageShop", and finally renamed to Krita in 2002.
All of which brings me to mention here that Krita 5.1 was just released.
Krita is wonderful to work with for drawing and painting, in my opinion.
Cool, thanks for clearing that up! It has some good photo editing abilities as well. That being said it is outstanding for drawing and painting.
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4 hours ago, geenat said:
Oh maaaaaan GOOD WORK! It's such a relief to not have to boot up a freakin windows install just to use affinity
Affinity Designer is working in Ubuntu 22.04 ...with nvidia GPU rendering !
Wanted to report in @1stn00b's guide here does work https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/47502-affinity-products-for-linux/page/92/#comment-940833 Thank you!!!
Although I am experiencing flickering issues as well, but hopefully we can find a workaround soon. 👀
Cool, looks like bottles and this configuration is working on Pop!_OS 22.04 too. Once the flickering is sorted we'll be in good shape. I went ahead and turned in a report on WineHQ for Affinity Photo. I'm encouraging others to do the same.
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Make sure to report your findings on WineHQ for the flickering etc. There are no reports showing it is out of garbage mode currently. So please provide your results there to do your part of helping. This way you can get the community and wine developers to start assisting with these issues. https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=18332
As far as Bottles goes, from what I understand and this might be out of date information. But there is/was an issue on the Ubuntu family tree of distros that wasn't resolved when I attempted it. -
Please post your findings on the WineHQ website as well. https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=18332 it will help narrow down where the work needs to be done. If the Vulkan Child dll issue isn't required this could be a viable path to a working setup.
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19 hours ago, MattyWS said:
Ah I might have a harder time than you, I got my affinity license from the windows store so I have to fish for the .appx which is effectively a zip file containing the "installed files" with the working exe in there, so no actual installation file for me ; ;
So you can download the exes here. Including old versions of the software. You can test on a trial I believe.
https://store.serif.com/en-gb/update/windows/photo/1/
https://store.serif.com/en-gb/update/windows/designer/1/
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18 hours ago, Xatonym said:
So I tried out Photo, Designer and Publisher in Bottles today (a Wine frontend) with the latest caffe-7.10-1 runner, and they all successfully installed and ran. I can open, edit, save and export documents like I can on Windows. Affinity Publisher can open large documents without crashing.
One big issue at the moment seems to be that the GUI is very glitchy and acts up when you hover over certain elements. Often entire windows can go black and only certain elements can show depending on what part of the window your mouse cursor is. Another issue is that clicking the "Edit in Photo/Designer/Publisher" option in the menu brings up an error message saying "Failed to launch designer - Could not hand over the file to the other application."
All in all, a big improvement over the last time I tried to get it running in Wine a couple of months ago, in which it wouldn't even run at all. We're not there just yet, but I have a feeling we're getting close.
Here are some screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/k3XpPuF
Yeah, it's getting closer! It's missing a core graphic dll which causes issues with Vulkan Surfaces. This same missing dll is holding up all of the affinity programs with the issue you described. Support will come from the community eventually.
The other way you can help support making Affinity a priority is making it reach #1 on the https://appdb.winehq.org/votestats.php top 25 requested programs page. Affinity Photo is currently listed as #2. -
35 minutes ago, Snapseed said:
Personally, I think that Krita's UI is relatively good although the interfaces of Gimp 😮 and Inkscape could do with improvement. It would seem more efficient to cooperate with the existing set of developers to improve the user interfaces rather than set out on a new path as, for example, the contributors to Glimpse did with their spinoff project.
Krita is decent. Inkscape got quite the UI/UX upgrade in 1.2 if you haven't tried it in awhile. GIMP however... yeah still in the same situation it has been for years.
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3 minutes ago, Kajac said:
I partially disagree with what you're saying.
SERIF is fully capable of providing support to run.
Even if it is using Linux X, with kernel X and with minimum hardware X.
PlayOnLinux and Lutris are here!
Regarding performance, there's nowhere to flee, both in windows and macOS have limitations, especially if we take into account the end user's hardware!
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Anyway, for users who defend against, I still don't see any sense in it! Why don't you want it to run on linux?
Support costs time, money, and resources. There is no such thing as minimal support. It's either supported or not. If people pay for a product they are going to rightfully expect it to work with full support. All that being said it needs to make sense business-wise to them. Trust me, it's not as easy as just lightly sorting it out on PlayonLinux and Lutris. There is a reason they have different versions and operating systems on listed on WINEHQ. This isn't just about hitting a few toggles and making it work on all Distros. WineHQ and Proton are working miracles but you need to keep in mind most games have somewhat similar requirements, which is why you are likely under the impression this would be a quick and easy process as support for games seems to quick these days. Support and workarounds will come eventually to Wine, but it will come from those communities, and likely not Serif. The reason Affinity line isn't working properly right now there some core dlls that aren't supported yet in WINE. I'm not defending against Affinity coming to Linux, but it needs to make sense. I say that as a full-time user of Linux and someone who has bought Photo, Designer, and Publisher and not using them in favor of native alternatives on Linux and would likely buy Affinity Photo again if it had full Linux support.
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18 hours ago, MattyWS said:
Most people don't use windows because it's good, they use it because it's the default on most computers when they buy them and that is the only reason software developers develop for windows first. It has the marketshare because microsoft has the money to make it the default. Anything else is basically Apple.
This is *slowly* changing now as Razer, Dell, Minisforum and system76 sell computers with linux on, albeit very few (apart from system76 which is the apple of linux). I'm 100% on linux now as a 3D artist and you know what the #1 issue is? it's lack of a decent photo editor. It's not that linux is bad. it's not unfriendly to users, it's not a bad UX. Applications work fine on linux *when they're developed for linux* and thankfully a lot of the time even if it wasn't developed for linux it may still work (like world machine for example, no linux version yet runs perfectly on linux).
I think Valve are doing a great job also, they're going all in on gaming on linux and it's bringing more and more people to linux with the steamdeck. The thing linux needs the most is for people to just use it.
Anyways photopea is pretty decent on linux and it now has a flatpak (which is effectively a web app but still awesome)
Agreed on most counts. As far as Apple and System76 goes, You take the bad parts about Apple and throw them in the dumpster and you have System76(No hardware restrictions, you can change anything about it, install the software on anything you want, etc.) That being said I might be biased, I use Pop!_OS, love it, and recommend it to everyone.
Photopea is a great option for simple projects, It has performance issues the more complicated it gets, if you don't use a tablet with pressure support as part of your workflow, and there is no perpetual license of the software without ads, without a subscription.
For my use case at least, I think Krita is the best photo editor on Linux. Which is hilarious because they don't claim to be one, but they are a fork of GIMP, so their is at least an older GIMP instance under the hood without the majority UI/UX issues of GIMP with better UI/UX, CYMK, non-destructive work, effect layers etc. I think Krita is comparable to Affinity Photo, with a better painting experience, but the photo editing tools aren't well advertised and almost as good, the UI/UX is slightly worse because photo editing isn't the forefront, and their font tool has a weird popup interface to place text.
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4 minutes ago, wonderings said:
You can use your Adobe CC subscription on Linux? I know it is not official from Adobe, does it break each time Adobe releases an update?
I have no idea. I have seen others use it with good performance and that's all I know about it.
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On 5/27/2022 at 8:10 AM, raptor said:
While not ideal, these changes that temporarily break software or your workflow tend to happen everywhere, not only in Linux. Apple on MacOS broke a lot of perfectly good programs with their yet another shift to different architecture and not supporting OpenGL anymore.
And Microsoft slowly makes Windows a nightmare for any serious professional work. Sure, the programs are running on it fine but the OS is spying on you, forces you to update even if it breaks things and MS can change anything with the next coming update. You never know what is going to happen. This is in my opinion a horrible working environment. It is not your computer anymore. A lot of people deal with it only because of software compatibility, there is no alternative for certain software or games.Linux is definitely not perfect (and I myself criticize a lot of things about it) but this issue with Wayland is hardly a typical "problem with Linux". This is a problem with almost every OS or technology at one point.
What surprises me a bit is the hostility from quite a few users against the Linux port. I get it, if you don't use Linux you don't want Serif "wasting" money on the development. But I still think Linux port would be beneficial even for you in the long run. Windows is probably on its way to become full-on Software-As-A-Service with all of the bad things that it brings. Lots of users are here because they got fed up with Adobe's SAAS model. When and if Windows becomes exactly that, what are you going to do? Wouldn't you be glad for an Affinity Linux port (already being developed and ready to go)?
Exactly, this is the reason I left using Windows as my primary Operating System for personal, my business use, and at work with my workstation. With Windows you don't own it anymore. Each edition pushes required online accounts more and more. They are actively adding and testing new ad locations on the Operating System. It's likely going to go to a subscription service at some point. I got tired of having to run debloaters to remove 2gbs of telemetry and ads used by ram and a variable amount on CPU usage. I work in IT as a day job and the amount of hours we spend removing all the bloat from our Windows Workstations creating custom images is staggering. Some of those return even if removed when you update the OS. It is an undisputed fact that Windows has become malware. It's no longer an opinion, its fact.
If Serif someday decides to support Linux I'd be overjoyed, If they don't support it... oh well, that's their call. I don't believe it is going to happen anytime soon either. I do believe you have correctly identified why there is so much toxic behavior about Serif supporting other operating systems on these forums. Users on the supported systems will shout down any suggestion for another platform to support other operating systems because they believe it will "waste money and support on it" and perceive it as a threat to Serif's resources.
I'm honestly not too concerned about it anymore. Open Source software is maturing especially Blender, Inkscape 1.2, Krita, etc. is proof of that. Also, Windows software through wine is getting better every week and while I will not use them for a few reasons, the Linux community figured out how to use Photoshop & Illustrator Adobe CC products on Linux awhile ago, so it's already here. -
Serif Affinity can choose to support or not to support the platform. Regardless of what is said here. Right now they have no plans to support it. I paid for all three on Windows. If was an option on Android or Linux I'd likely pay for it all again.
Wine communities may some day bring support to Linux. Affinity Photo is #2 on WineHQ as their most request app page.
You can swap back and forth on Wayland and X11 as a menu option once it's enabled from the login menu on most distros.
Flatpaks and Snaps ship with their dependancies included. Distro doesn't really matter. Use Whatever tickles your fancy. I like Pop!_OS for desktops because it is the easiest out of the box setup and has fantastic Nvidia support out of the box.
Alternatives for Linux for Affinity Photo and Designer.
1) Inkscape - latest update version 1.2 has made it my primary vector program even on my windows desktop. Check and see if it meets your needs. In my opinion Inkscape is equal to Designer with some small pros and cons on both sets of software. Designer lacks trace, Inkscape has work arounds CYMK support.
2) Krita - was a fork of GIMP. Primarily painting app. With surprisingly decent photo editing tools likely left over from GIMP. Nondestructive and supports CYMK. Likely the best option with a good UI/UX experience.
3) GIMP - has some great photo editing capabilities hampered with crap tier UI/UX experience. No nondestructive editing or CYMK support.
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6 hours ago, Renzatic said:
Is this...how it ends? Not with a bang, but with silence? The only sound being the pat-pat-patter of quiet tears we shed in
We are more likely to see Android support before Linux support. And so far Serif isn't even interested in that. Most of us voted on WineHQ for support because that path at this point looks to be much more likely.
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24 minutes ago, Away79 said:
Yesterday (again!) someone asked on twitter (if affinity software will be available to android), to which Serif has responded “Sorry, there are no current plans for an Android version.” So while I agree that no (decent) discussion should ever be discouraged, makes little sense (to me) to encourage a subject officially closed by Devs themselves (numerous times).
It's a feedback forum, as long as it is civil there is no harm in continuing. If anything, it helps them gauge interest in a particular request. Those other threads were locked outside of the scope of just being a request.
I've been lurking here for a few years and I've seen a lot of community members shout down other community members requests for other platforms (Not accusing you of this.) to get these threads locked. There are merits in keeping these requests open and showing support for them. Affinity/Serif at the end of the day will make any decisions that make sense for them. But I honestly find the community response to these requests quite concerning and sometimes toxic.- Snapseed, GaryRS, Asemblance and 1 other
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I like their products and wish I could use it on my preferred operating systems(Linux[Pop!_OS] & Android). So I'm showing my support for this, +1 for Android. I don't really see a need for discouraging discussion about this. Either Affinity will decide to do it or they won't.
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I like their products and wish I could use it on my preferred operating systems(Linux[Pop!_OS] & Android). So I'm showing my support for this, +1 for Linux. I don't really see a need for discouraging discussion about this. Either Affinity will decide to do it or they won't.
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.msix isn't as well supported as .exe as far as I understand. Due to this it's not likely to happen anytime soon.