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Unless you're a mod, that's not up to you. The topic is Affinity on Linux. The topic is not Market Research Provided In A Comprehensive Report To Provide Full Economic and Fiscal Justification For Funding Affinity on Linux.

Kid, you actually argued that Nvidia "doesn't care about Linux" even though they have dedicated Linux engineers, release driver updates for Linux with EVERY Windows driver update, and maintain active support. You literally pulled that claim straight from your own rear end. You think Linux is somehow "terribly flawed, but programmers still manage to make software for it" which is one of the dumbest claims you've made in this entire thread. The meme about Linux running the world isn't arbitrary. You demolished your own credibility with your absurd claims. Combined with your obsessive nitpicking about things that have no actual bearing on the subject of the thread, and only serve to feed your own personal opinions of Linux and/or Linux users (who you have smeared in this thread, by the way), it's clear you have a bone to pick with either Linux itself, or the people who use it. We wanted to talk about how Affinity might be able to work on Linux. You want to talk about why we shouldn't even bother talking about it. You must be a riot at parties. 🙄

Typo aside, your own behavior belies your claim, with post after post (sometimes in quick succession) that can be summed up as "shut up, nobody cares". You believe quite a few things that have been proven completely false, mostly your assumptions about Linux, software support for Linux, software engineering in Linux, and pretty much everything that involves Linux. So, you've destroyed your own credibility as a legitimate contributor to this discussion. You have not accepted your own failures in this area, even though several people have reiterated that the investment in Linux development by software companies is, in fact, actual concrete evidence that investment in Linux isn't a complete waste of effort. You claim Linux users "think the universe revolves around them," yet you have been the single loudest voice in this entire thread, babbling on repeatedly making claims nobody believes and insisting things nobody's arguing. All I'm saying is, follow your own advice. If you want others to avoid derailing the thread, you are wholly obliged to the same behavior. After all, nobody has a reason to do what you want when you can't even be bothered to afford the same concession.

You have a pathological obsession. I'm not going to feed it. But for every attempt you make to again center the conversation on you, I will be happy to counter your efforts to center the conversation on anything but you. If you feel an irresistible compulsion to tell everyone how right you are, I recommend using Twitter. It should give you the 24x7 attention you crave. Now, to recenter this thread on the subject at hand - which has nothing to do with you, I'm sad to say - I would be very interested in being part of any potential solutions or roadmaps, even if just in the arena of finding bugs (which I'm annoyingly good at). I'm sure I'm not the only user who would be interested in contributing, too!

How something went mainstream matters a lot more than nitpicking over which guy technically thought of it first.

Steam is a particularly interesting option, IMO. Valve is very clearly committed to supporting Linux, and has put tremendous effort into parity between Linux and Mac/PC. While Valve has historically been focused on video games, this is no longer the case. This is evident by Valve's own actions, as they have promoted Steam as a full-featured app store alternative to the big guys across all desktop platforms. This thread started in 2014, and a lot has happened since 2014, particularly in terms of Valve's contributions to Linux and WINE (their own flavor of WINE is called Proton). I just don't know enough about the technological blockers to WINE compatibility to have any realistic grasp of what might be required for compatibility. As I mentioned in one of my first contributions to this thread, my husband put in some actual effort, after finding an old bog post somewhere written by someone who got some old version of one of Affinity's products running (sort of) in Linux. We determined that there's an Affinity-specific library which is barfing when launched under WINE or Proton. There's not much we can do beyond that, unless Affinity's apps are written in unobfuscated .NET, which is something I haven't yet investigated (and highly doubt is the case here). All this being said, it seems to me that the biggest blocker to actual feasibility here has nothing do with whether or not Linux is super cool, but more to do with the fact that hiring software engineers to port your software to Linux is no small chore, and as a smaller software publisher (than, say, Adobe or Valve or Microsoft), they don't have limitless engineering resources to throw at something. So here's a radical idea, taking all this into consideration... What if Affinity chose to crowdsource this effort? Not to publicly release their source code, but to essentially put out an APB for Linux software engineers in the wild to volunteer to contribute, provided they can prove they're qualified to do so. This is the kind of thing an NDA applies to very well. This proposal is, I think, functionally equivalent to the "hackathons" big companies (like Microsoft and Google) hold annually, where employees can focus their efforts on pet projects that might have nothing to do with their job description or their career focus. Like I said - it's a radical idea, but...that doesn't make it a bad idea. P.S. I'm proposing this with the idea that there is a nonzero quantity of Affinity users who happen to also be software engineers, either professionally, or for funsies. With a motivated enough group of people, you can accomplish a lot without having to spend a dime.

I do indeed, and I've brought up a few potential avenues for pursuing Linux support with complete honesty and sincerity. I take umbrage with anyone who responds to a real discussion by flooding the conversation space with their unsolicited opinions, which have treaded into ad hominem attacks against us as people who use (or want to use) Linux.

I know how it made me feel - it was inordinately frustrating to see that one person who has literally nothing useful to contribute to the discussion had blown up this thread (again) to center the discussion on them and their (badly misinformed and based on obsolete assumptions) opinion of Linux and Linux users. So the options at my disposal were: Ignore everything, unsubscribe, and check back months later Attempt to discuss the subject around our friend Call out the offending individual directly for their inconsiderate behavior I'm naturally inclined toward #3. So here we are.

No, it's more that I am well versed in going up against arrogant, self-involved people who are pathologically compelled to make everything about them. I care a lot about Affinity on Linux, which is why I joined this thread. I also care a lot about individuals not filibustering everyone else and preventing real discussion from happening. The most ironic thing about this whole tangent is that Linux users have been falsely smeared as arrogant, acting as though the universe revolves around them, etc. It's quite obvious that Linux users aren't the ones with a personality problem here.

You were patently wrong about Nvidia not caring about Linux. Provably, 100% wrong. Ergo, you have not been "entirely correct."

Me too. But when someone decides to make a legitimate discussion about them and their personal opinions, I play by their rules until they get the message.

nah, your opinion is moo.

i still say "wonton" instead of "wanton" 🤣

a distinction without a difference.

i used to refer to spaghetti as "abiki" when i was still learning to talk. one day, my brother very snottily corrected me. "it's not abiki, it's PA-SKETTI" can't think for the life of me why that popped into my head just now.

I brought up wine weeks ago. Others have as well. It's been discussed and could have been discussed further, but your need to center the discussion instead on you and your opinion has defeated such potential. We could discuss it now, but you still need attention, so I guess that's the theme of the thread now.

from Wikipedia: "Switchable desktops were introduced to a much larger audience by Tom LaStrange in swm (the Solbourne Window Manager, for the X Window System) in 1989." sooo it came to X... Which drives the Linux desktop environment. 🤦

we've been talking about wine support from the start. Your self-righteous arrogance seems to have blinded you to the actual discussion going on in between your hot takes.

this is the best possible outcome 🤣🤣

Nor is your obsession with shutting down this discussion. Oh well!

sweetie, your position on the relevancy of Linux is an opinion not backed by fact. If you were actually objectively correct, businesses wouldn't be investing millions in desktop Linux support. Your opinion has been noted and discarded.

I used to have this cat who had a real spicy attitude. She'd come into a room full of people, flop down, and start rolling around on her back and flirting with everyone, putting all attention on her. But she ALSO liked talking big game and growled and hissed a lot. If you removed her from the room, she came right back in, demanding attention. i don't know why that just popped into my head...

...except you're only sharing your opinion, not absolute fact. The *truth* is that many in this thread have voiced support for Affinity on Linux. The *truth* is that Linux is growing in popularity, evidenced by the objective *fact* that big companies like Microsoft, NVidia, and AMD invest engineering effort - which isn't cheap - to support Linux. And much like you don't care about our position, I see no reason to care about yours. I'll continue to add my voice to the many suggesting Linux support, and maybe next time you can be considerate of the sincere participants and not derail the discussion with more self-aggrandizing "shut up, nobody cares" posts. It's ironic you have commented on how self-centered Linux users are. It seems you're the only one making this about you and what you want.

And you've said this repeatedly. You aren't contributing anything, and I had to turn off notifications on this thread (and I wanted to stay updated) because you cannot stop bleating about how we're barking up a dead tree. Your opinion has been noted. It has been deemed irrelevant by those of us who care about this subject. Thanks!

Thanks for clarifying. It'll be interesting to see how ARM evolves. Qualcomm is unbelievably possessive about their ARM IP, so Nvidia or not, there's still going to be competition. I also don't know that Nvidia is inclined to turn it into a greedy moneygrab, or if they'll go the AMD route (e.g. with AMD64) and make the spec freely available.