Otto Manuel
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If anyone is actually interested the thread I linked to in the original post has a lot of examples of what is going on.
This afternoon, I made another test. In this case I opened Affinity Photo, created a new blank project using the sRGB colorspace. I painted some colors, saved the project and exported a jpeg with sRGB and embed ICC profile selected.
The resulting jpeg does not makes its Color Representation info available via Windows Properties.
Here is the exif from the file, which BTW has never been near a camera:
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Hi,
My photos start as RAW, are demosaiced into a 16bit container and the ProPhotoRGB color space, processed in post, and distributed in the sRGB colorspace.
I have just started experimenting with the possibility of working with Affinity Photo. This is the first time in a couple decades of working with digital images that I have not been able to save or export a JPEG with Color Representation info that is recognized by Windows Properties.
A fact that we can find examples of photos from various sources that have data not recognized by Windows Properties does not mean that I should not expect my workflow to function properly.
It seems that something in the export process can be corrected, either by me as a user making the proper choice when exporting, or by some change in the program's internal function.
Thank you.
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Cross posting this thread from another sub forum where it has not been eliciting responses:
Hi,
I am new to Affinity Photo so just starting to learn about it. I am using Windows 7 x64 as an operating system.
I have been working with photos that are in the ProPhotoRGB color space, which I can see confirmed in the top bar of Affinity Photo.
I have been exporting as a JPEG with the sRGB IEC61966-2.1 selected, with the "Embed ICC profile", and "Embed metadata" checked in the "More" panel.
When I open the resulting jpeg in Affinity Photo or Adobe Photoshop the colorspace is reported as expected: sRGB IEC61966-2.1, but when I use Windows Properties dialog to view the "Color Representation" tag it reads "Uncalibrated".
When I use Adobe Photoshop and its "save for Web" function with the corresponding Embed ICC profile and convert to sRGB settings the jpeg that is produced will be recognized in the Windows "Properties" dialog "Color Representation" tag as "sRGB".
Is there a way to make sure that the embedded colorspace is available to Windows Properties as well as various online browsers etc.?
Thank you!
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Hi,
Out of curiosity I just tried saving an TIFF image in the sRGB colorspace to a JPEG in the sRGB colorspace and the results are the same. Windows Properties notes that the Color Representation is "Uncalibrated".
I have hesitated to call this a "bug" and assumed I needed to learn about some choice that I have not made while exporting. Perhaps it is a "bug" in my Windows 7 Pro x64 install, but my OS install seems to be fine. It is updated with the latest updates etc., and works as expected with all my other software etc.
The lack of interest in this thread of posts, as demonstrated in this sub forum category, makes me wonder if I should re-post the info in the "bugs" section to see if anyone will take a look at the matter.
I am still hoping to learn of an easy fix, by some choice that must be made while exporting, but all the options that I have encountered seem familiar, and it seems like I have made the appropriate choices.
I will appreciate any help or insights that may be offered.
Thank you!
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Hi,
Thank you for reviewing my question.
I have uploaded the following files:
1) A .tif in the ProPhotoRGB colorspace which I used as a source for exporting a jpeg in the sRGB colorspace.
2) A .jpg exported from Affinity Photo, which does seem to have been converted to the intended sRGB colorspace.
3) A screen shot showing my selections during the export.
4) A screen shot showing that Windows Properties does not recognize the sRGB Color Representation label.
I am using Windows 7 Pro x64 SP1 with all the current updates, and Affinity Photo 1.7.1.404
Thank you for any help or insights you may offer.
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Hi,
I am adding some screen shots to illustrate what I have attempted to describe.
The two JPEGs seem to have the sRGB label embedded so that an application such as Affinity Photo (or Photoshop) may recognize the colorspace, but Windows Properties can not see the label.
My concern is that web browsers and or print shops may not correctly identify the colorspace and the display will differ from what was intended.
Is there a way to exprt JPEGs from Affinity Photo with the sRGB label made available to Windows Properties etc.?
Thank you!
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Hi,
I am new to Affinity Photo so just starting to learn about it. I am using Windows 7 x64 as an operating system.
I have been working with photos that are in the ProPhotoRGB color space, which I can see confirmed in the top bar of Affinity Photo.
I have been exporting as a JPEG with the sRGB IEC61966-2.1 selected, with the "Embed ICC profile", and "Embed metadata" checked in the "More" panel.
When I open the resulting jpeg in Affinity Photo or Adobe Photoshop the colorspace is reported as expected: sRGB IEC61966-2.1, but when I use Windows Properties dialog to view the "Color Representation" tag it reads "Uncalibrated".
When I use Adobe Photoshop and its "save for Web" function with the corresponding Embed ICC profile and convert to sRGB settings the jpeg that is produced will be recognized in the Windows "Properties" dialog "Color Representation" tag as "sRGB".
Is there a way to make sure that the embedded colorspace is available to Windows Properties as well as various online browsers etc.?
Thank you!
Export as JPEG ICC embed problem?
in V1 Bugs found on Windows
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Curiously, when I open the jpeg in Adobe Photoshop and save as a JPEG, the Adobe export is able to embed the color space data in such a way that Windows Properties dialog actually recognizes it.
In other words, Adobe knows how to save the file with the metadata that Windows Properties expects to see.
Here is the jpeg as saved with Photoshop.
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