Thank you Alfred that is much better, nice and clean looking. As to Publisher not being based on PagePlus it seems to me that you are trying to fix something that was not broken. By all means add the extra functionality but remember "KISS it" (Keep it simple) One of the greatest attributes of PP was it was easy to use and understand. Looking through the tutorials you seem to be getting a bit to complicated on some parts of the design process which were a one click action. I am trying use Publisher the same as I use PP so maybe that is my problem. As I said in the beginning I have used PagePlus since its original launch and have had every new version, each one improving on the one before. I will keep playing with Publisher, maybe it will grow no me