frankthechicken

I'm just thankful the issues are slowly being recognised, I felt like I was being flat out ignored previously. The 1.7 iteration of the app was very obviously next to worthless compared to 1.6, and no matter the examples I issued, there was no recognition, no admission, nothing. Then. finally when the issue was recognised, Andy Somerfield, apparently the photo lead stated these issues are only to be expected! I mean what? These issues were not present in previous builds, and yet now they are to be expected? Simple manipulation of images should be the apps staple diet. Everything seems to be about hiding away from the issues, head in sand, pretending they don't exist. I too am about given up on the app. It feels like I am an unpaid, unappreciated, unrecognised, and unwanted beta tester. When issues are raised, it has felt like the customer is the problem, not the product.

It doesn't need to be a complex image, though it may need a few more operations. The following video is a new document at the default size. I will draw on one layer, and perform a few operations on and the app will grind to a halt. The more complex the document the less operations needed to break the app, however it is still very demonstrable on simple doc. RPReplay_Final1566985058.mp4

I've said this in the Beta forum but no responses there, so I'll try my luck here as it still applies:- Photo still cannot cope with transformations of groups, though I'm wondering whether its just shrinking the groups which causes issues (particularly shrinking smaller than their original size?) In these videos one shows that no issues occur when simply enlarging the groups, however there is significant lag when one attempts to shrink the groups (these are unadjusted sample pictures pixel dimensions 2560x1440) Please note when it appears I am touching the screen for an extended period of time, I am not, the app is just having a think:- This is with the latest Photo release 1.7.2.153 on a 1TB iPad RPReplay_Final1566425259.mp4 RPReplay_Final1566425594.mp4

Photo still cannot cope with transformations of groups, though I'm wondering whether its just shrinking the groups which causes issues (particularly shrinking smaller than their original size?) In these videos one shows that no issues occur when simply enlarging the groups, however there is significant lag when one attempts to shrink the groups (these are unadjusted sample pictures pixel dimensions 2560x1440):- This is with the latest Photo release 1.7.2.153 on a 1TB iPad RPReplay_Final1566425259.mp4 RPReplay_Final1566425594.mp4

As a further example, I've made a video of a document which is 10000 x 10000 pixels (equivalent to about four layers of 5000 x 5000 I guess) and performed the same scaling and translating with no lag. Surely this should be further evidence that there is something wrong with the group implementation? RPReplay_Final1565273562.mp4

However, I can manipulate single layers with wild abandon, with no slowdown whatsoever. Note these videos are done at 5000 x 5000 pixels RPReplay_Final1565254091.mp4

I have just been testing the latest version 1.7.2.151, and unfortunately the same problems occur. Any kind of manipulation of groups of layers is resulting in complete slowdown, and degradation of work. Leading to files being unable to be saved. I realise that I am probably coming off as a pain, but I just want Photo to be back to the glory of 1.6. When I try to manipulate groups of layers (in this case, just two), even with kid gloves, I experience horrendous slow down. Note that when the blue touch circle is on screen (and paused) the app has hung. When there is no blue circle I am giving the app every chance to recover. RPReplay_Final1565253975.mp4

Thank you so much for the detailed reply. I'm glad that something has been sorted out, I'm looking forward to loving this amazing program once more. I'm not quite sure I understand the reasoning that given as I would have expected similar problems when dealing with single layers. Unless one is dealing with the group as a whole (rather than individually) and then referencing memory that has not been allocated I guess.

To be honest it doesn't require much to get the app to slow down to a crawl, just manipulate a group of 3 layers or more on a reasonably large canvas for a few operations and you will experience serious slow down. If one works on individual layers then the app seems fine and smooth as it was on 1.6, however working with groups of layers is still very buggy.

Just as a further example, I've performed the same operations to individual layers (i.e. not in a group) and it is far harder to get the system to slow down. RPReplay_Final1565092284.mp4

I have an iPad Pro 1TB edition on iOS 12.4, and I can demonstrate a very simple video to show how the lagging occurs. Whenever it seems my touch is staying in one place, lagging is occurring (I have not simply held the touch there) It seems to be most prevalent when using groups of layers, the lag also builds up over a period of time. Eventually the system becomes inoperable, and one can lose all work or progress. It should also be noted that if one were to try to return to the main menu after the lag has begun, the file sometimes will not save. RPReplay_Final1565081610.mp4

To be honest I was not running into any of the halting problems on the previous 1.6 build, I think there is a flaw in the coding somewhere. It feels like a memory leak. The iPad is a very capable device nowadays.

My personal issue with Photo has not been corrected with 1.7.2.149

The latest beta (1.7.2.149 RC1) stills shows the problem. What I haven't demonstrated is that once this slowdown has started, the app can stay very unresponsive, even if one waits long enough for the app to have finished calculating what it needs to. As soon as the slowdown occurs, it becomes necessary to quit the app, and hope it is able to save your document, else one faces lost work. Also worth noting that it is not just resizing/moving/rotating the groups of layers, this is just the most easily demonstrable. I find it occurs with almost any task when dealing with groups of layers. It is such a problem that I have to either dramatically reduce the amount of layers of work with, or (and this only occasionally works) hide the layers I am not working on. I can also demonstrate this happens with smaller documents (in this case 5000 x 5000 pixels). At the end of this video I was trying to choose a colour but the app was unresponsive. Please note, I am manipulating a group of layers RPReplay_Final1564513172.mp4

I can also demonstrate it using a smaller document say a 4000 x 4000 pixel document. Although it requires a few more operations in a row (though still around 7/8 layers in 1 group). All it requires is a few rotations/resizing as demonstrated in the video I made and the app begins to considerably slow down. Eventually the app will cease responding. No, this is not a genuine use case, but it demonstrates that there is a flaw in the app. This flaw rears its ugly head again and again in my general work (i.e. slow down with eventual app crashing), so much so that I have to keep returning to the main menu in an attempt to ensure the document is saved before it freezes completely.